Public Accounts committee  What the Auditor General said in her report was that when the RCMP went to Consulting and Audit Canada, perhaps the alternative would have been to do the work themselves. In other words, the RCMP should have done contracting direct. She didn't say there was no value; she said little or no value.

Public Accounts committee  It's the same position I had before.

Public Accounts committee  That is right.

Public Accounts committee  I know what my accountabilities are. I know you don't agree with me, but I cannot be responsible for every transaction that goes on in the RCMP. I will say that I have a lot of support in the RCMP, and if I get more chance I'll explain a lot of the work that I have done there. I've done a lot of excellent work and I have a lot of support.

Public Accounts committee  As I explained in previous sessions in this committee, I am the chief financial officer. However, I am not responsible for every responsibility centre within the RCMP. As a matter of fact, we have 2,732. This was one of them. Therefore, it was not possible for me to know everything that was going on in the whole organization.

Public Accounts committee  No, I haven't, but what I have been doing is looking up every name of every person who was present there, and I'm writing everybody a letter and asking every one of them who played golf to cut a cheque and remit it to the Receiver General for accrediting to the pension fund, including myself.

Public Accounts committee  Including Mr. Crupi.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, sir, that is correct.

Public Accounts committee  That is not quite right. The Auditor General reviewed certain transactions and was of the view that some involved work of little or no value. The amount in question includes a little more than $600,000 paid to Consulting and Audit Canada.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, that is what I said. I would rather speak in English to better explain myself. There was an amount that was a little over $600,000—I think it was $660,000, maybe—that was paid to Consulting and Audit Canada for what we're talking about here today, for the 15% fees for consultants who were referred to the RCMP.

Public Accounts committee  Sir, I don't remember whether Mr. Crupi got an increase. We sit as a committee of deputy commissioners. We look at probably 150 files. We all give our thoughts, and at the end we make recommendations to the commissioner, who decides whether he agrees or disagrees. I'm sorry; I can't remember today what we did with Mr.

Public Accounts committee  I can talk about escalating cost, but I can't relate it to procurement, because this was a fairly large project, and the costs did go up, but they also went up in other pension plans, including those of the public service and the RCMP, because we were doing two things at one time here.

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely not, sir. What I said at the time was that there were some issues around this project, and that our own internal auditors had felt at the time that some moneys were not properly accounted for. What the discipline was or what the result was had nothing to do with me.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I am.

Public Accounts committee  I don't know this particular transaction. I don't get involved in transactions. But I will say that we're an organization of 26,000 people—