Official Languages committee  We don't understand. Mr. Moore would have to meet with us practically every two weeks to hear all these matters, but of course he does not have that kind of availability. So access is sometimes difficult. It is easy to meet with officials from some departments, and there are others who say that it is not possible; they do not even try to set a later date.

Official Languages committee  There are several. We could certainly submit a list to you.

Official Languages committee  We are being consulted on health. We are working with Heritage Canada as far as culture is concerned. We are also consulted on health care and immigration. Of course, regarding immigration, we have a committee which is jointly managed by the community and by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

Official Languages committee  These things sometimes happen.

Official Languages committee  It's an aberration because people don't talk to each other. But that can easily be rectified. Indeed, we hope that during the day of dialogue, which will bring together 15 departments and 40 community organizations... I know that the same type of meeting is being planned with our anglophone counterparts.

Official Languages committee  Except for Canadian Heritage.

Official Languages committee  Yes.

Official Languages committee  It becomes difficult for us to manage issues and to look ahead and plan, when we do not know what is coming down the pipe, where, how, or from whom. Right now, things are not clearly identified as being part of the Roadmap, except by Canadian Heritage and Official Languages.

Official Languages committee  Yes.

Official Languages committee  It depends on the levels of knowledge and understanding of government departments and corporations. There again, it all comes back to governance. Who does the Roadmap belong to? It belongs to the government as a whole, but to whom?

Official Languages committee  Both organizations together?

Official Languages committee  Yes, absolutely. We do talk. Ms. Glover, you are indeed very accessible. When we were talking about consultations earlier, we were talking about departmental mechanisms to work with sectoral organizations. We were not talking about consultations with you or with other members. People on the committee, especially this one, have always been accessible, and I would not want you to interpret our comments on consultations as suggesting otherwise.

Official Languages committee  Exactly. That said, the departments and crown corporations have an obligation to consult us on program development, and that does not happen systematically. So that is what we were referring to. It was not about your accessibility, which we know is not a problem. We are not questioning that.

Official Languages committee  Of course, there were consultations with Bernard Lord in order to develop the Roadmap. As well,...

Official Languages committee  If I may, I will repeat something that was said in November when we talked about official languages in our document that was made public, and it was said once again this morning. The issue of governance in official languages is a serious problem. There is no single person in charge of everything that happens in the departments and crown corporations.