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Information & Ethics committee  You have no idea how happy I would be to review the Lobbying Act. The act calls for a review every five years, but nothing has been done since 2012. So it is high time for a review. In 2021, I appeared before the committee and was asked for recommendations. So I made some preliminary recommendations at that time.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  Again, since my appointment in 2018, I have received 12 phone calls about receptions and whether lobbyists can offer them or not. They know that even if I say not to offer it, if you can accept it, they can do it. When people call us and ask if they can offer a $25 breakfast, we will usually say yes, but if they ask if they can give a $50 breakfast, and we say no, whether or not that has any weight is zero, because if they offer you the $50 breakfast and you eat it and nobody comes to tell you that you shouldn't have, it goes unregulated.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  It's in relation to the lobbyist. They can only offer public office holders—public servants, members of Parliament, senators, ministers, their staff—$40 per event, per breakfast. We have asked for an $80 limit. In British Columbia right now, the annual limit is $100. Interestingly, in British Columbia, every time a lobbyist registers, they need to indicate the value of the gift.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  For lobbyists, it's going to be $40. There is no confusion. It's an $80 annual limit. If this committee thinks that I need to raise it to $100, I will consider that, but there needs to be a signal that this is a reasonable amount. In fact, it's more generous than what public servants can offer to individuals whom they host.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  Not all communications with public office holders are considered lobbying under the Lobbying Act. It's considered lobbying by a lot of people, but the Lobbying Act does not cover all of the situations that are communications with public office holders. The Lobbying Act needs to be reviewed.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  Well, the location right now is not an issue; it's the communication itself and whatever was discussed as to whether or not it would be considered lobbying. Right now, if they're talking about getting a contract for an organization, that is not lobbying. From the perspective of the public office holder, I don't regulate that.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  Possibly. I haven't put much thought into that one. I think that any communication with any of you should be transparent and that the level of influence or the level of decision-making power is not something that should necessarily be covered. I think all communications should be covered under the registry.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, exactly. Now, for the record, this is not a law firm that is registered to lobby, and they did a conflict-of-interest screen, so they were not in a conflict when they provided me with this legal opinion.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  I'll give a charter analysis course 101. The first test is to examine whether or not the rule as written infringes any constitutional rights. When it came to freedom of expression, I am stopping people from lobbying for at least two years or a year, depending on the circumstances.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  It's actually in the public domain that I have a service contract with Goldblatt.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  That's in the public domain: Goldblatt Partners.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  I have referred, since my appointment, 11 files to the RCMP. I know that there has been one charge laid, and they have returned five files recently to me. I haven't decided yet what I will do with that, so there are likely five or six still ongoing. Right now, I have probably 35 open files that are being looked at, either at the preliminary assessment stage or the investigation stage.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  No, the definition of gifts would include favours and benefits. It's still included.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

Information & Ethics committee  No. If you look at the definition of gifts, we've given a list of examples. It's quite broad. It's really any advantage.

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger

February 3rd, 2023Committee meeting

Nancy Bélanger