Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you. By my count, I have three minutes left. Through you, Madam Chair, what if the money that was raised was utilized by a third party? For example, there are a number of banners that are being erected around the Wellington Street area on the back of trucks that say Pierre Poilievre for Prime Minister.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That applies equally to the direct campaign as it would a third party.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Can a third party take money that's been fundraised from outside of the country and use it for political purposes to influence political purposes and to influence election campaigns, leadership campaigns, within the country?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  However, as a follow-up—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Through you, Madam Chair, I thank Mr. Dion for that, and I wanted to add my words to what others have said. Your office is by far one of the best in replying. They get back to me instantly when I email them. I really do appreciate your openness and candour in having this discussion with us today.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. Through you, Madam Chair, to Mr. Dion, my first question is in reflection of what I've heard over the last hour and a half. I'm curious to know if you and your team ever stop and reflect on whether or not there's the possibility of overbureaucratizing a process at the expense of accomplishing the objective.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If I'm out of time, that's fine. Thank you.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  My other question has to do with the changing environment in terms of how people will commute to the Hill. I drive from Kingston. I drive an electric car. When I get here, I plug it in. When I started doing that four years ago, there was always availability. Now I'm finding that when I show up here, there's no availability.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Do I have any time left, Madam Chair?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  My first question, Madam Chair, has to do with—and I know it's been talked about—the relationship between members of the House and the Senate and the ongoing work in the working groups, but I know that at the beginning of this discussion in the last Parliament, where I was on PROC as well, we raised some concern with respect to the fact that senators in particular, with whom we will be sharing the building, have a better continuity than members of the House in view of the fact they don't have to get elected.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm sorry, Mr. Dion. They are not now, but there has been a lot of discussion today about the possibility of adding that. That was what my question was. Through you, Madam Chair, I kind of take the same approach as it relates to training. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I heard Mr.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Through you, Madam Chair.... I lost my train of thought because the chair was lecturing me. She's doing a great job, though—you are doing a great job, Madam Chair. You would be the only one I would speak to right now. I think this point is very important. I imagine.... Mr. Dion, what if you ran and were elected in the next Parliament and then someone said to you that you need to do this mandatory training?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Madam Chair Through you to Mr. Dion, I want to try to play devil's advocate for a couple of issues here. When we talk about relooking at the definition of family or the inclusion of friends, at the end of the day is there not some concern that we end up opening things up in such a way as to create more problems, more inconsistencies or more confusion?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I lowered my hand, and then I raised it again. I don't know if Mr. Duncan answered the question that Ms. Sahota asked, which was whether discussions had happened between the whips' offices. As we know, a lot of this stuff is worked out and ironed out between the various offices in advance.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I was just going to say that I believe during our discourse on this they have had an opportunity to do that. I think we are in a position to vote on it now.