Information & Ethics committee  No. I saw none of that. I did see some tough questions, but they were questions that she had invited.

Information & Ethics committee  I don't recall having specific concerns. I think we've—

Information & Ethics committee  No, it is not.

Information & Ethics committee  I have not been involved, but I know that my two colleagues, who remain on the board, are working assiduously to try to move that process forward, but we're hampered by the fact that we don't have independent directors who fit my definition of independence. Therefore, some other mechanism has to be sought for oversight of the thing.

Information & Ethics committee  We had a donations policy I think since 2003.

Information & Ethics committee  To the best of my knowledge, it was state of the art at the time.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, when it was put in place and through the period during which it was in place.

Information & Ethics committee  I don't recall the content of the policy.

Information & Ethics committee  That's right.

Information & Ethics committee  No, not entirely. That would be really management who would oversee the implementation—

Information & Ethics committee  They would report to the board once the donation got through the screens of the donation policy—

Information & Ethics committee  I don't feel that she changed that much. She and I wanted an outside attorney who had had nothing to do with the foundation before, and a professional accounting company overseen by the attorney. However, I thought the oversight should be done by a committee of three board members.

Information & Ethics committee  I didn't hear that in her testimony, but maybe I misunderstood her.

Information & Ethics committee  In my experience, there was no disagreement on this point.

Information & Ethics committee  No, there were two or three other foreign donations. John MacBain of the McCall MacBain Foundation made one of over $1 million, which was classified as foreign, because that foundation is based in Switzerland. However, Mr. MacBain is Canadian and was the chair of the foundation's board at the time.