Foreign Affairs committee  On a point of order, Mr. Chair, Canada and the world are watching what's happening overseas now, in the Middle East.

Foreign Affairs committee  I think we can all agree that we are quite disturbed by the violence occurring there.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'd like to have the floor.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'm speaking a bit slowly, which is maybe—

Foreign Affairs committee  You're interrupting me. You don't have the floor, either.

Foreign Affairs committee  Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

Foreign Affairs committee  My point is that this is an important study and we should be studying this.

Justice committee  That's really helpful, I think, in helping us to think about amendments, because in this committee we can amend what's on paper, so what we're seeing and what you're talking about is very helpful. We have about 30 seconds. Would somebody like to speak about seniors who aren't in care homes or in hospitals but are in isolated situations, such as in their own homes or in the community?

Justice committee  Let's assume we narrow the definition, as you're suggesting, in one sense, so as not to capture those who aren't managers, and expand it in another sense so as to capture managers and owners in other sectors who do care for seniors. If we make those adjustments, don't you think this would be a salutary law?

Justice committee  Thank you. That's really helpful.

Justice committee  I'd like to thank the witnesses for being here today, and for your years of work to promote the good health of everyone in our society, including seniors. I think your testimony is extremely valuable in highlighting that we need to look at some of the definitions, potentially expand the scope in some ways and ensure that we're not capturing those who are not managers in other ways.

Justice committee  I would assume that you feel that this is a gap or an area that we should legislate on, given what happened during the COVID pandemic and what that showed in terms of the care of seniors. Would you agree that we need to close the gap and to see that seniors are properly cared for through legislation that encompasses not only the people we're talking about—the managers we're talking about in this space, in senior care homes—but in other spaces too?

Justice committee  Just around that, though, this legislation doesn't target the rank-and-file employee. It targets managers and owners who have a responsibility. Do you think that this responsibility should fall on their shoulders and that they should be held responsible when there are deaths? Don't you think this gap must be closed?

Foreign Affairs committee  On a point of order—

Foreign Affairs committee  I have a point of order. I don't know how many times you, as chair, need to repeat yourself for us to actually get it in our heads about this line of questioning.