Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you very much, Senator Harder. I appreciate your generosity in bringing me into the conversation. As I mentioned before, we're seeing that the phenomenon of IMVE has been increasing over the last number of years, mostly fuelled by social media. You referenced the American experience as a connection.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Mr. Motz, thank you. I do not remember specifically, but it would not be unusual for CSIS members throughout the country to receive information. I do not recall specifically, however.

Declaration of Emergency committee  I am only aware of the “spy plane”, as you call it, from the media, so we have not had any involvement.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you, Mr. Green. I know you're looking for some level of precision that, unfortunately, I cannot provide you in this context. We have provided advice to the government.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Mr. Green, you asked me to respect my duty of candour. I told you that I will absolutely respect that. I also have to respect the law of the land that prevents me from answering with classified information in a public setting.

Declaration of Emergency committee  —CSIS definition, but it's also very clear that the Governor in Council, when it decides to invoke the Emergencies Act, is using all sorts of information. It does not rely solely on CSIS. It may or may not even be appropriate to use information from CSIS, depending on the situation.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you very much for the question. I think there are a couple of elements in this that you are noting, Ms. May. It is absolutely accurate that the Emergencies Act is using the—

Declaration of Emergency committee  Actually, every day at CSIS, as per our act, we investigate issues related to a threat to the safety of Canada. Every day, unfortunately, CSIS employees and professionals are uncovering and investigating threats to the security of Canada.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Madam Chair, if there's a specific question, I'm happy to try to answer it.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you, Mr. Brock. No, unfortunately, I would not be at liberty to provide any legal interpretation of this. Thank you.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you, Senator Harder. Essentially, I would characterize it as the fact that we saw a number of individuals who were of concern to CSIS prior to the convoy being engaged both online and also in person in the context of the convoy. We saw activities taking place of people trying to recruit other individuals.

Declaration of Emergency committee  I'm trying to answer, Mr. Green.

Declaration of Emergency committee  This is one area that is of a very complex nature. The element related to subversion has to be assessed extremely carefully. I would refer you to some of our annual reports that have been tabled in Parliament. In the past, in recent years, CSIS has not investigated acts of subversion.

Declaration of Emergency committee  What I'm saying, Mr. Green, is that I think it's important for the committee members to understand that when we assess the threat of IMVE, we look at the acts of violence and we also look at acts of subversion.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Please let me finish.