Industry committee  No, Mr. Chair, I would simply point out that, first of all, it's a motion relating to this, and it's an invitation, not a study. Also, we have TransUnion included in this, and that was not in the original motion you're referring to. If you won't find it in order I'd like to know, because then I would like to make it as a formal notice of motion.

Industry committee  Okay, I'd like to put a notice of motion, Mr. Chair, “That, further to the appearance of the chief statistician, the committee on industry, science and technology invite the Privacy Commissioner, the Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development, TransUnion, the Canadian Bankers Association, Ann Cavoukian and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.”

Industry committee  Again, Mr. Chair, could I just have clarity on this as to exactly why you ruled the previous one out of order? It was based on the conversation at the business of the committee here today. It was substantially different, in that we were not talking about a study but about invitations, just the same as the Liberal members did last time.

Industry committee  No, but the previous motion.

Industry committee  Yes. Again, that's why I suggested we do something similar. We were just doing the business here, Mr. Chair. It is clearly tied to the business of the committee today, so I can't see why it wouldn't be in order. That being said, we will prepare ourselves for future meetings where we will be taking a much different approach until we have this issue looked at, and I do hope that colleagues consider that.

Industry committee  I do recognize that we've had a lot of discussion here, and the chief statistician should be commended for coming. That being said, even he in his testimony today has pointed out that there are various aspects of this so-called pilot project.

Industry committee  No, it's just that since we're on the business of discussing this particular topic, I'd like to move the following motion: That further to the appearance of the Chief Statistician, that the Committee on Industry, Science and Technology invite the Privacy Commissioner, the Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development, TransUnion, the Canadian Banker’s Association, Ann Cavoukian and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.

Industry committee  —personal...and I believe government should not have that power.

Industry committee  You didn't build the infrastructure for this real time. Again, when someone fills out their census, sir, they know exactly what they're doing. In this case, you're not even advising them that this information may be taken. What if someone moves from one area to another—

Industry committee  —and then ends up being sampled a second time?

Industry committee  This is an intrusion in someone's—

Industry committee  Thank you again, Mr. Chair. I want to get back to your opening statement. You said the chance a given address is selected as part of our sample is one in 28. The chance that the dwelling is used in the actual sample is 1 in 40. To me that seems to say that you're actually oversampling.

Industry committee  By what ratio are you going to be oversampling? How many Canadians do you actually need for this project to go forward, and why are you using 500,000?

Industry committee  You're going to be asking for confidential information that people back home are upset about, sir. You only need 350,000 households, and you're going to be sampling 500,000. I appreciate your answering the question, but I'm disappointed to hear that. When it comes to the actual retention of your data, you talked about having the two different areas, and how they're separate.

Industry committee  Will you be able to re-engineer it using a master key to reunite those files if you so choose, yes or no?