Public Accounts committee  I have no idea, sir. Those are issues that you could discuss with CAC itself or the Department of Public Works.

Public Accounts committee  It's a good question, sir. As for what happened within CAC, they found that there were issues with some of the RCMP contracts, but also contracts with a whole lot of other departments, and therefore Consulting and Audit Canada was not working the way it should have. As a result of that, the auditors called for a report from KPMG, and a number of substantial changes were made to that particular organization.

Public Accounts committee  There were two amounts in the Auditor General's report. One of them was $3.4 million that she said was inappropriately charged to the pension fund. That has been reimbursed. So now the pension fund has that $3.4 million back. It was wrongly coded. It should never have been coded to that.

Public Accounts committee  No more closely than I would work with any other deputy commissioner. We were part of the executive committee and other committees, and that's how closely—

Public Accounts committee  I would add that there were at least three, if not four, levels of supervision that fell apart within human resources when this was happening.

Public Accounts committee  You'd have to ask Mr. Ewanovich and company, but he was the ADM in charge or assistant commissioner at the time. He had a director general under that.

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely not.

Public Accounts committee  In terms of the contracting processes, in the RCMP, when all this happened, we knew there were problems with Mr. Crupi. What we did is put somebody in there to watch what he was doing. After that, we actually took his authority away. What Mr. Crupi did was go to Consulting and Audit Canada, and there he found somebody, in terms of collusion, to work with him.

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry, can I come back for a minute? I think Mr. Lewis also said that I was in a conflict of interest. I have no idea what that statement means. I am the CFO; I've been the CFO in many departments, and I do my job in accordance with what I think I have to do. But as for being in a conflict of interest, I have no idea what that means.

Public Accounts committee  Another one is that I was the subject of two criminal investigations, and I was not. I was the CFO and I was interviewed in two very large investigations of over 200 interviews. I cooperated and did what I had to, but I was certainly not the subject, that I know of.

Public Accounts committee  I'm not sure what the other--

Public Accounts committee  As soon as we knew there were problems, we stopped the contracting and took away his authority. Now, what happened after that is that...when he went to Consulting and Audit Canada, he actually had the authority. What we have done since is to say that nobody in the RCMP can go directly to Consulting and Audit Canada without coming through our contracting shop.

Public Accounts committee  When I say “we”, I'm talking about corporate management and comptrollership. How closely did I work with Mr. Ewanovich? He was responsible for pension administration and life insurance as part of the human resources sector.

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry, I don't quite follow you. Could you...?

Public Accounts committee  Which paragraph?