Human Resources committee  No. The summary was provided previously, on September 6. The summary is in that portion.

Human Resources committee  --programs, in which the residential construction industry isn't represented.

Human Resources committee  At all.

Human Resources committee  There are 43 skilled red seal trades within the construction industry, of which none really address residential construction at all.

Human Resources committee  No, it's not an elitist view in terms of education level, so much as what is considered to be a skilled trade. Mary tried to illustrate that with respect to the fact that we have these 43 red seal--

Human Resources committee  Not unlike what was said in the first presentation from Cheryl on the notion of jobs, that there are careers within her industry, one of the things we need to do as an industry is to make our industry attractive to young people, so that they understand that it is a profession, that you can make not only a good living as a drywaller or as a bricklayer, but that they ought to be proud of what they're doing, that they are contributing to society, that they can create careers that will last for a long time.

Human Resources committee  National training standards.

Human Resources committee  That's right.

Human Resources committee  Yes.

Human Resources committee  There's some crossover, and Mary tried to indicate that there is this crossover in some respects. But the problem is that if one wants to concentrate on residential construction and go through the apprenticeship program, that person has to go through the whole red seal program, whereas perhaps in the residential trade, the person doesn't necessarily need to know some aspects that are part of the ICI sector, as an example.

Human Resources committee  We don't need more studies.

Human Resources committee  Mary might be able to talk to this even more.

Human Resources committee  Let's think of the building code as your foundation. When you go to other regions and when it becomes adopted in each of the provinces there are nuances that are addressed, but the national building code, as an example, provides a basis and an understanding for all of us, all Canadians, to work from.

Human Resources committee  I can say that it was very protracted here in Ontario, between Ontario and Quebec, particularly as it related to people who were living and working in Hull or Gatineau and trying to work in Ottawa. I think you probably saw the headlines, as we did here in Toronto. But it goes beyond transferability and transportability.

Human Resources committee  Thank you. My name is David Wassmansdorf. I'm the immediate past president of the Canadian Home Builders' Association. I'm a home builder and land developer based in Burlington. As we were talking about before, this is my volunteer gig. With me today is Mary Lawson. Mary is the past-past president of the Home Builders' Association.