Public Accounts committee  The commissioner of the day?

Public Accounts committee  It was Commissioner Zaccardelli.

Public Accounts committee  I'm not sure if it was just prior, but it was recent.

Public Accounts committee  Yes. He informed me that while he worked as an advisor to Mr. Scott, he called the Treasury Board ethics advisor. He said that there was nothing wrong with what we were doing, with respect to its perception. I should go further. He also pointed out that since the contract to provide those services with the company, offering these gifts in kind, was signed by Treasury Board, there was also no conflict of interest.

Public Accounts committee  To my knowledge, for our new financial systems, yes.

Public Accounts committee  At that time, it would have been SAP.

Public Accounts committee  That's what they call themselves, SAP. They're a German firm and provide the financial systems for a number of agencies.

Public Accounts committee  The only people I dealt with during that stream were Deputy Commissioner Gauvin and Barb George. In the previous year, when I was provided with a performance agreement for the first time in my career, she said that I was incompetent, I didn't understand the complexities of the organization, and perhaps I should go elsewhere.

Public Accounts committee  My immediate supervisor at all times was Mr. Paul Gauvin, the chief financial officer.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely.

Public Accounts committee  Quite frankly, in the spring of 2001 I questioned our behaviour with respect to the acceptance of gifts such as hockey and rounds of golf. That came about after a meeting with the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police at which we talked about the ethical behaviour of police forces and the fact that we should not be participating in same.

Public Accounts committee  Yes. It was not only the phone call. On June 15, I was not in the office. She had sent me an e-mail with the attached phone message that had been left on Mrs. Burton's phone, and she wanted to contact me. Her office actively contacted my administrative assistant, who provided my pager and my cell phone numbers.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I do. Before I commence today, I'd like to thank the committee for allowing me to come before you to at least present what I believe happened in and around June 15 to June 20. However, before commencing, I'd also like to emphasize that reporting on one's ethical behaviour is never an easy task and sometimes it comes with severe repercussions.

Public Accounts committee  I, Bruce Rogerson, swear that the evidence I shall give on this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.