Public Accounts committee  It's interesting. Mr. Zaccardelli must have been working on the weekend, because my recollection is that on May 28 we had a meeting. That has been recorded and is not in dispute. He's saying now that two days later he called Chief Superintendent Watson. I never put the complaint in until June 5, from Niagara Falls.

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely. Under oath, that's exactly what he told me.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I will. So I don't get it. The same day? It's not; it's weeks apart. And it's only after my intervention; that's the key here. I hope everybody's catching on to that. I had to go in to talk to Barbara George and send messages to the commissioner that if nothing was done I was going public.

Public Accounts committee  No, in fact, when Barbara George agreed to accept my complaint.... It was only after she went in and basically insisted. When you ask her whether she had a meeting with her husband and stayed up until 3 o'clock in the morning, and what the discussion was, it will be: “I was going in and I was going to resign if Mr.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chairman, I'm reacting to several statements that Mr. Zaccardelli has made in his opening statement and subsequent—

Public Accounts committee  Yes. He says he immediately took action. That's not correct. Now, either Deputy Commissioner George or Mr. Zaccardelli is not telling the truth, because when the report came in, in October—that's when the report was tabled on the audit that he caused—nothing was done. When I went forward, for the members I represented, and talked to Deputy Commissioner George, she said, “Nothing will be done.”

Public Accounts committee  I have a document that I received this weekend—Saturday—from the RCMP. It identifies that in October 2003 an internal audit was concluded, and they talk about the irregularities. It says that in November 2003, which is the next month, Mr. Ewanovich was removed from his job and Deputy Commissioner Barb George was appointed.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you. Mr. Zaccardelli's opening statement in the statement he just made is not, I find, quite correct. I was personally involved in the removal of Mr. Ewanovich and Mr. Crupi, and here's how it happened. After he cancelled the first investigation, the criminal investigation that I referred to earlier, Mr.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, I have two documents in front of me that I had already tabled the last time I appeared, which I believe was earlier this month. One is a document dated June 5, 2003, signed by me, directed to the commanding officer of A Division. That was seven days after I met Mr. Zaccardelli for the second time, and it is a very complicated matter.

Public Accounts committee  I did not, because there was a previous request to have allegations of harassment of Mr. Ewanovich investigated, and the commissioner failed to do that. In fact, I'll categorize it as a lie, because when I came back months later he had totally changed his position, even though we had discussed the investigators who should do it--the rank level, and everything.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Zaccardelli pounded on the desk and said, “Why are these officers not coming to me?” I said, “The reason for that is that you treat them poorly when they come forward. As a result, I will not give you documents until you appoint an officer. They will all come forward at once, not individually, because as they come forward they get punished.

Public Accounts committee  To the members of Parliament, it would include my report of 2004. In February I went to the minister, the Auditor General, and the President of the Treasury Board. But directly to the members of this committee and the public safety committee, it would have been on November 6 that my covering report, which has been tabled with you, went to all the MPs on both this committee and the public safety committee.

Public Accounts committee  I, Ron Lewis, do solemnly, sincerely, and truly affirm and declare the taking of any oath is, according to my religious belief, unlawful, and I do also solemnly, sincerely, and truly affirm and declare that the evidence I shall give on this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Public Accounts committee  That's right...to this day. This is the second time he has been involved in a criminal investigation. It's the second time.

Public Accounts committee  I sent the documents to all the members of the committee at that time--I notice there are some new faces here and that some have disappeared--on the 16th of November, which is five months ago maybe. I also sent them to every member on the public safety committee, because I wasn't sure who was going to deal with it.