Justice committee  Thank you very much.

Justice committee  The time has gone?

Justice committee  Okay. I would just like to thank everybody and include three more things.

Justice committee  Okay. I will when I come back, then, because these are legal matters that must be attended to. As a Canadian terror victim representing others who have suffered similar tragedies, I ask that you support this bill and our proposed amendments. It is a very Canadian response to a brutal threat that has yet to claim its last victim.

Justice committee  Okay.

Justice committee  This would mean that in a case like Lockerbie, where Libya used its intelligence services to blow up the plane, Libya could not be sued, but if Gadhafi had decided to use one of his terrorist proxies, Libya could be sued. It's somewhat nonsensical. C-CAT proposes that the bill be amended to allow suits in a Lockerbie type of case, but only if the country is listed as a terror-sponsoring state and there's been a judicial determination that the state in question should have its immunity lifted for sponsoring a listed terrorist entity.

Justice committee  Thank you, Mr. MacKenzie. My name is Maureen Basnicki and I am a co-founder of C-CAT, the Canadian Coalition Against Terror, which represents terror victims from across Canada. About six weeks ago I marked the 10th anniversary of the murder of my husband Ken. Ken had been on the 106th floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center on the morning of 9/11.

Public Safety committee  It has been submitted, I believe. Yes.

Public Safety committee  We talk about values of Canadians, and it's my understanding that the people who are detained, again, are not suffering cruel and unusual punishment. They're able to go about, for the most part, their daily lives. Some are fathering additional children, teaching in schools. If you look at the detention of these individuals, it's not an uncomfortable lifestyle.

Public Safety committee  I'd like to ask a question of Mr. Ménard. I'm not a lawyer like yourself, my colleague, and many in this room, but here is my opinion. C-CAT does not condone torture, but in a case where the information provides reasonable grounds to believe that a non-Canadian citizen may pose a danger to Canadians, Canada is within its rights to use that information to refuse admission to such a person.

Public Safety committee  Maybe a clarification. We're not talking about a criminal trial, where a person could be thrown in jail as punishment here. Canada is not obligated to allow non-Canadians to stay in Canada. When we're talking about security certificates, are we not talking about their right to stay in Canada?

Public Safety committee  Anything that can be done to bring the appropriate balance to the dilemma we have in Canada will certainly be appreciated. I do believe that in my knowledge of the bill—and excuse me, I don't have the legal expertise that many of you have—and how it's been explained to me, we have succeeded in finding the balance as it stands now.

Public Safety committee  Is the question whether it meets the constitutional requirements?

Public Safety committee  I don't have the knowledge of the constitutional requirements.

Public Safety committee  Thank you.