Public Safety committee  If I may, the problem with statistics is that there is no national way of recording all of these things. As a matter of fact, in studies I've read lately, the suggestion is that--especially in the 2004-05 study--the actual amount that's been reported is probably one-tenth of actual use.

Public Safety committee  If I can do it in two minutes, I will.

Public Safety committee  Dr. Butt, who is the forensic pathologist, said that one of the conclusions he drew from his reviews of the studies then available was that more than one expert in the field of cardiology and electrophysiology has been consulted about the issue of the taser shock being capable, or potentially so, of producing fatal arrhythmia of the heart called ventricular fibrillation.

Public Safety committee  The final report was produced on June 14, 2005. It too is published on our website in its entirety, including a couple of letters by some experts, some doctors—an emergency room physician, and Dr. John Butt, who is not only a coroner but a forensic pathologist. That report, in my respectful view, is a very thorough one, which made recommendations that, in conjunction with the interim recommendations I've just bulleted for you, if implemented, may well have prevented some of the problems that have subsequently arisen.

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much. Mr. Chair and honourable members, thank you for inviting me to come to this committee to give you my thoughts on the matter you presently have under study. It's my understanding that I've been invited to speak to you regarding my role as British Columbia police complaints commissioner in relation to conducted energy devices, sometimes referred to, colloquially, as tasers.