Procedure and House Affairs committee  You're absolutely correct. They are not tracked. There is no log of those. There's just enough when you do a PIN to PIN...there will be a short record, just enough to send it to the person who will receive the messages. But with all those messages, it's not a secure way of communicating.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  No. At this point, we have no mechanism to do that. When you do a PIN to PIN it goes directly to the BES environment--again, RIM's environment--and then there's no mechanism unless you decide to do so or to put one in place some mechanism, but again, you're putting a mechanism on something that is totally unsecure.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Absolutely. I'm sure of that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  We eliminated those functions from members' photocopiers.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's right.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Mr. Proulx, your questions always intrigue me. I will do the research, certainly.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's right, after your call, we did our due diligence. We found a few of them, in various locations. Certain things were done. I could document that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That wasn't the case in the riding offices.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's a very good observation. I think you are perfectly correct, Mr. Proulx. I think everything was removed.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  From the questions, I think all of you have touched on part of the answer today. There are three elements to moving documents around. It's always the technology, but a protocol and a process are the most important ones. Technology will try to adapt to that, not the other way. The critical portion, the weak link of any systems are the people—the users.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's correct. But if the member gives the password to all the staff, or the member decides to copy that document to their BlackBerry and send that out, or decides to take a copy and bring that with him on a USB key or something else, those are all the weak links. I forget my USB key in my car or at a restaurant...it's all those weak links.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Absolutely.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  With all the questions I am being asked, I will make sure that it is kept longer.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's a log.