Natural Resources committee  Yes. There is quite a big public interest in Sweden as well, and it is still going on. We can see, as with the figures I told you about earlier, that we are using a lot of biomass in order to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions, and this is a huge transformation in the basic systems of electricity and heating production.

Natural Resources committee  But when it comes to district heating, the prices are set every year. So it's once a year, and then the price is set for all the year. It's quite different. And these prices are set locally, so every operation sets its own price.

Natural Resources committee  I find it very difficult to answer because the terms vary all the time, especially in electricity. In Sweden, we have a trade market for electricity, so all the electricity goes to this trade market and the price is set based on the top price of the most recently produced kilowatt hour of electricity.

Natural Resources committee  I know that the Swedish company, Vattenfall, is working quite a lot with carbon dioxide capture.

Natural Resources committee  They're doing research in Germany on carbon dioxide capture, but this is very early. There is no way of doing it in an economical way today, but they are researching it. Vattenfall believes a lot in carbon dioxide capture.

Natural Resources committee  We are not really working with carbon capture; it's conversion from fossil fuels to biomass. That is the big task in Sweden. We are using biomass in a very high proportion today. That is the conversion we are working with today to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

Natural Resources committee  When it started it was basically a question of the local environment and the price of fossil fuel oil. We were caught in oil dependence. We found it was very high in heated buildings--way beyond 8%. When the prices rose, it was a problem for the economy, for single families, and so on.

Natural Resources committee  Thank you. Thank you very much for the opportunity to participate in this hearing. We are both independent consultants working in the district heating sector. We are normally helping Swedish district heating companies in their operation, and especially in their market presentations.