Afghanistan committee  I don't know.

Afghanistan committee  On the October one, I should say, I wasn't there for that, so I just heard about this monitoring visit. The problem we had in Kabul was that the information we were given was so hopeless. We went to the prison and we said: “We're looking for these four people. These are the names and they were all taken in Kandahar.

Afghanistan committee  Yes, you're probably right. Maybe one of them was. On the monitoring visit, I didn't really want to do the monitoring visit. It's not really my job, you know, but we didn't have anyone else. But the reporting I had sent on detainees, which went back to June 2006, wasn't based on first-hand interviews.

Afghanistan committee  Yes, I felt so.

Afghanistan committee  Oh. Well, this is, I guess, my interpretation. I had been subpoenaed to the MPCC. When I first heard, the government's lawyers told me, “You're free to go for this pre-hearing interview. There's no problem. It's entirely up to you.” I had a July 28 letter saying that. I said to them, “Fine, I'll go on September 1.”

Afghanistan committee  Most of my information was from other institutions, who were the experts. Without naming names, there were some human rights organizations, but also some intelligence services we would meet with and discuss these questions with them. That's kind of how we do our job as diplomats.

Afghanistan committee  Sure. The principal way we're supposed to inform Ottawa is via more official channels rather than to a particular individual.

Afghanistan committee  Relations with General Gauthier unfortunately were not very good. If it had been another general, it would have been different--for example, General Grant, a very easy relationship. Certainly with him I would have felt no compunction with raising it. So it was just kind of a personality issue.

Afghanistan committee  Yes.

Afghanistan committee  No, I didn't. Yes, I've met several ministers, but I did not raise these issues with them.

Afghanistan committee  No, not in the meetings I was at.

Afghanistan committee  Sure. I have them here. Are you interested in hearing them?

Afghanistan committee  There's the director at FTAG, the Afghanistan task force. There's David Mulroney, as deputy. Do you want the names or just the position?

Afghanistan committee  Yes. There's the Afghanistan officer at PCO, and then two addresses at Kandahar airfield in the PRT.

Afghanistan committee  Yes; it was very sensitive, and they didn't want it going to a wide circle of people. Over time, I myself was removed from the distribution list for these messages.