Justice committee  I can't comment on that right now. I don't have those numbers with me, but we'd be happy to try to get those for you.

Justice committee  Locally, as I said, it's a really rapidly changing environment and that is why we use an intelligence-led risk management approach. We are continually gathering information, and we try to make sure we mitigate the risk that criminal organizations present in our institutions. So we do have certain groups that are kept apart from other groups because they are unable to get along together and they provide a safety risk to each other and to other inmates.

Justice committee  Yes. There are some groups that are kept together. That is part of our population management. We keep certain groups together because they can't get along with any other groups. We also want to minimize their impact as far as the drug trade and recruiting are concerned, the impact on other offenders as well.

Justice committee  In addition to that.... Go ahead, Tim.

Justice committee  I guess our gang populations mirror many of the gang populations in the community. So if we have a lot of street gang members of various ethnic origins in the community, offenders are often already affiliated with a gang prior to their incarceration. So we will try to manage those groups.

Justice committee  I believe that's the case, yes.

Justice committee  I'll try to address all your questions. With regard to what gangs originated in Manitoba and how they spread, that's something off the top of my head I can't answer, but we can get you that technical data at our earliest opportunity. In terms of how do we solve the problem of aboriginal and street gangs, we use intelligence-led risk management.

Justice committee  Part of what we do--I'm a warden of a medium-security facility--is that as we gather information.... All criminal organizations have a risk inherent in our facilities. We assess risk. When some of the offenders are assessed as maximum security, they will be transferred to a penitentiary suited to managing their risk.

Justice committee  Yes, sometimes we will transfer an offender to the SHU, the special handling unit, because his risk can't be managed safely or effectively in a maximum security unit. That's one of the reasons we may transfer an individual from Manitoba to Quebec. Does that answer your question?

Justice committee  No, we do not have a maximum security facility in Manitoba.

Justice committee  Good afternoon. l am Robert Bonnefoy, warden of Stony Mountain Institution, situated north of Winnipeg, Manitoba. I am here with Christer McLauchlan, security intelligence officer at Stony Mountain Institution, and Tim Van der Hoek, former security intelligence officer at Stony Mountain Institution and current senior national project manager, preventive security and intelligence, at national headquarters.