Industry committee  I would find it difficult to comment on that in general. I don't know how to comment on what you said.

Industry committee  You're saying $15 to $16 of gross profit per barrel?

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  I would guess, and it would just be a guess, because I've seen nothing and have not studied it, that the way to characterize it is that those who are exiting the market in Canada are probably not greater than those who need to exit in the U.S.

Industry committee  Supply and demand says that the less you control your own destiny the more subject you are to those periods of time when supply is not readily available, and while there could be price implications, the bigger problem is going to be supply implications.

Industry committee  The short answer is yes. It wouldn't bother me to go in and appear before... If your feet follow your mouth in a deal, then you don't mind sharing whatever you've said, because you're going to perform what you've said you'd do. The precedent's already set for a morphing of laissez-faire to something different from what we've seen.

Industry committee  I am from Texas, yes.

Industry committee  Was there a question?

Industry committee  We typically would not spend the kind of money we did on lawyers and engineers and consultants and management time if we didn't feel like we could fund the deal.

Industry committee  Yes, we have an interest in this refinery. We believe we can put a business plan together that can make it a success. But it's not going to be without pain by all.

Industry committee  No.

Industry committee  Well, all the plant would be closed.

Industry committee  That document?

Industry committee  Sure.

Industry committee  Well, I'll speak as a transaction guy, basically out of ignorance more than anything else, but I've been around it a bit. This is a pretty significant turnaround. My belief, based on hearing the Shell people and hearing our own Delek people, is that you can't get the equipment before the winter.