Citizenship and Immigration committee  There would be only two outside of Canada who are staff, and there would be I think fewer than 10 in Canada. But they wouldn't necessarily do this work on a full-time basis. Some of it would do it.... If I could just add to this, one of the reasons why MCC has given me this consultancy one day per week is to resource other people who work on their own so that they have accurate information.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  There are about a dozen, about half a dozen in Canada and half a dozen outside, maybe a little more. There may be eight or ten outside of Canada.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  These people have brought a lot of people into Canada as citizens. The citizenship law, especially as it was before it was amended in 2009, was pretty generous in allowing earlier people to claim citizenship, so the main way was through citizenship. Now--

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Do you mean over the last 10 years?

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Five thousand.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Pardon me. I will leave it at that.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you for your indulgence.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you. This committee has heard stories of big swindlers, of big fish, and criticisms that this bill does not do enough to enable the government to go after them. My approach or my emphasis is very different. I'm concerned about some small fish: small fish who are actually honest, well-informed, and transparent, but who do this work on a small-scale basis, on a part-time basis, and charge modest fees, partly because they're motivated in part by charitable considerations.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Okay. That's fine. Thank you. I could explain the context in which this issue arises for me. It has to do with Mennonite communities in Latin America. Many of the people in those communities came from Canada but have moved back, and so on and so forth. But it also relates to charitable work in Canada.