Justice committee  I haven't seen any statistics. I've never seen one in my practice--a case of that nature. First of all, I don't know how often it occurs and, if it occurs, how likely somebody might be to be apprehended. I don't think it would be a common occurrence. Now, just to continue that line of thinking, five years, to my way of thinking, is a long minimum, because you wonder about even these other cases, where it's a biological father-daughter kind of incest, what sorts of extenuating circumstances there might exist.

Justice committee  You ask a number of questions within your question. I'll try to address them all as best as my memory will allow me to. The first issue you raised was one of proportionate sentencing--how serious are these crimes, and are these mandatory minimums an appropriate response to such a crime?

Justice committee  Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here. I have a few remarks to make. I tried to think of things that would serve as an appropriate background for consideration of sex offender sentencing and sexual crimes against children. The first point I want to make, and the one that's most important in this area and in dealing with sex offenders, is that sex offenders vary enormously in their likelihood of reoffending.