Industry committee  The first satellite was launched. We're launching another satellite in the middle of next year. I don't think we're behind Australia, but ahead of it. They don't have a 10 megabit service in the market. They have not deployed satellites, which take four years to build. So we've deployed the first satellite, launched literally last week, which should be in service by the end of this year, and a second high throughput satellite.

Industry committee  No. I'm saying that if you're a wireless provider looking to serve those rural areas around Calgary, you can't execute a quality service without spectrum.

Industry committee  There are people who have spectrum. They're not executing in the market.

Industry committee  Right.

Industry committee  I'm talking about rural providers as a category, not just Xplornet. What I'm saying is that there is a lot of spectrum out there. I'm not saying that you should take all of it and partition it. I'm saying, take some portion of it. We understand that the mobile folks need spectrum.

Industry committee  Well, the guys who have the urban area aren't using it. I'm not sure where to go with the question. There are people who have spectrum—

Industry committee  I want to execute in the rural area. I can't get spectrum on a cost-effective basis. I don't want it free. I bought spectrum in private purchases, but what I need to do is buy the 10% that is rural and not pay for the 100% that includes the urban centre.

Industry committee  So what's the alternative? The alternative is that we can keep talking about subsidies, because without a reasonable way to access spectrum to providers right across this country--

Industry committee  Right.

Industry committee  We're not wanting to limit any....

Industry committee  First and foremost, the rural market is a competitive market. We have competitors in the rural market. I'm here, as I've been invited, and I hope you'll invite some of our competitors in the market. They face the same challenge, which is how to get access to the spectrum. How does it impact the consumer?

Industry committee  There are two things. What we're looking for is not having to buy urban Toronto to get the not insignificant rural population around Toronto. That applies to Calgary as well. There are 44 licences where we're asking government, that is, Industry Canada, to partition—

Industry committee  Other providers like Xplornet would have the same challenge. You need spectrum to deliver it.

Industry committee  The rules have to change. It doesn't make sense, if I want to serve the area around Ottawa or around Calgary, that I also have to spend on the 94% of the population I don't want to serve. I don't want to serve downtown Calgary. I don't want to serve downtown Toronto. I want to serve the rural regions, but I have to buy that spectrum, warehouse or inventory it, and incur that cost, to capture the spectrum for the 6% of the population that I want to serve.

Industry committee  It's education, and I think industry and government have a role to play in education. We run sessions in the communities, when we launch service, on how to use the Internet and how to be secure on the Internet. So we take it seriously, knowing that if we're going to move the market, if we're going to invest in a rural community with broadband and to drive its adoption, we have to communicate and make people aware that broadband is available.