Government Operations committee  We've sourced the costs. We've got them covered in the existing budgetary and fiscal frameworks. We know how to pay for it. You're quite right that they do tend to be front-end loaded, but we've covered it within our budgetary frameworks. We're not asking for new money. It will yield substantial economies in year four, and then that becomes the source of funds to actually help us fund—

Government Operations committee  No, no, it's not 10 years—

Government Operations committee  Mr. Chairman, could I try to answer the question?

Government Operations committee  We've committed to deliver savings for our deficit reduction targets of 5% and 10%. At the same time, we've also found savings that will fund the e-mail project in years one, two, and three. The e-mail project starts to yield net savings in years two and three, and the bulk of the savings comes in year four.

Government Operations committee  Yes. By way of example, in terms of generating short-term savings, because we've consolidated 43 departments together, we get a consolidation dividend because we need less management and less corporate overhead. The second thing, as the minister has said, is that we've also inherited a whole series of contractual arrangements that were negotiated within the context of each individual department for all ranges of things: software licensing, hardware maintenance agreements, and this type of thing.

Government Operations committee  Mr. Chairman, our transformation program is estimated to cost in the order of $375 million. That's to take us from 100 e-mail systems down to one, to consolidate approximately 300 data centres down to less than 20, as the minister has mentioned, and to do a substantial amount of work in the corresponding networks that support the execution of the data centres.