Information & Ethics committee  There are two thoughts on that. You've expressed one, that it's too political, that it's best to get it out of the political realm. I understand that view. I think the other argument, though, and it's what I would I say about the code for the members of the House, is that it's about taking responsibility, too.

Information & Ethics committee  Can I just say—

Information & Ethics committee  I'm sorry.

Information & Ethics committee  There is a multitude of questions there. I'd just like to say that one thing you're clearly accepting is the need to have a range of sanctions. It seems to me that if you leave it at administrative monetary penalities, that trivializes the offence: “Okay, I'll pay $500. But I'll influence this action over here, so who cares?

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you. The first thing I'd say is that I would endorse and echo what Professor Greene has just said to you. His recommendations make abundant sense to me. Thank you for the chance to speak to you today. The enactment of the Conflict of Interest Act was an important step in the evolution of an integrity and ethics system.