National Defence committee  I realize and respect the role that you folks play. Our role is not to be in the political business. As I mentioned, the problem of PTSD was shell shock in previous conflicts. It was cowardice in others. It has been there for a long time, long before Canada became a nation. Our role is pretty straightforward, and we try to accomplish that.

National Defence committee  Thank you.

National Defence committee  We all do.

National Defence committee  Our annual budget? This year our expectation of revenue is in the $750,000 range.

National Defence committee  No. We don't—

National Defence committee  The composition of the funding?

National Defence committee  I can speak to the stigma part. My background is that I'm a volunteer in this organization. My business is in the financial services sector. Employers in Canada are very cognizant of mental health issues, far more than some people may realize. It is safe to say that a reservist who comes forward in any organization, as any employee would be, is nervous about their future.

National Defence committee  It comes from a $25 cheque from the grandmother in Kelowna, B.C., all the way through to an organization called Tough Mudder, if you're familiar with that, where we have raised over $100,000 in the past two years. We've had a number of corporate sponsors, as well, that have provided substantial donations.

National Defence committee  No, sir.

National Defence committee  No.

National Defence committee  In other words, he was not treated. He was in the middle of treatment, received funding, and did as most, or as a lot of young 25-year-old people do. We won't discuss the specifics but I think you can figure that out.

National Defence committee  Thank you for that. Four to five years out is a long time, but the flippant answer would be that I hope we're out of business. The reality is that we won't be. In terms of interacting with other charities, with other organizations, there is some of that already taking place.

National Defence committee  Thank you for that, and thank you for your comment. One of the reasons we involve clinicians is to assess the program at the front end and also at the back end. In particular, Dr. Alice Aiken, at Queen's University, and her clinical support team are taking a more active role in looking at some of these programs to make sure that, first, we're in good standing to be offering funds to support them—to be very candid with you, it's a bit of a protection for us—but also to look at the results and the evidence so that we can go beyond the anecdotal evidence.

National Defence committee  I'm sorry, the question was whether we have any programs assisting soldiers with legal issues. We can't speak to it yet, but we've been contacted by an organization, by a firm that wishes to engage us to assist in the creation of a fund that might be able to support soldiers in that regard.

National Defence committee  As a point to add to that, in the case I spoke of earlier with regard to the two soldiers on the weekend, we always ask the question: where are your other financial resources, and what have you done with them? It was interesting to get the response from this one particular individual.