International Trade committee  Usually.

International Trade committee  The Canadian consumer?

International Trade committee  Within our product, no.

International Trade committee  Essentially it's high volumes, yes. I think it comes down to the details, and I will use the U.S. as an example. Right now, all meat shipped into the U.S. has to be inspected at the U.S. border. It goes through an additional cost that within our industry is about $20 million a year.

International Trade committee  No, sir, that's an example of our current business into the U.S. I don't forecast savings in terms of selling into CETA, but rather opportunity.

International Trade committee  First, Mr. Holder, I think we both would like to invite you to our facilities to take a tour. About the transparency, come and take some products—

International Trade committee  We used to sell our products into Japan, Korea, and Taiwan through various trade channels in the U.S. and through Canadian partners. We've essentially pulled out of all three marketplaces, for different reasons, but here's what I believe the TPP in essence will do for us. Take a market such as Japan.

International Trade committee  We do that as well. Now that the exchange rate is where it is, all of a sudden the south looks a lot more advantageous than the east. We're growing in the eastern Canadian marketplace. The real challenge for our business, and I suspect perhaps for Debra as well, is logistics. Freight costs across the country are exorbitant.

International Trade committee  It would probably be quite speculative in nature. The food industry has relatively flat growth, which is part of its strength as well at times. It provides for stability. So it's very difficult for me to be able to say how much would come specifically from CETA.

International Trade committee  Zero. Currently there are none.

International Trade committee  In our segment there's no change. There's a change to fresh meat being exported to Europe in terms of the allotment, and there are some minor ones in terms of canned meats and such with import duties that will be dropped. In our case it doesn't impact our business.

International Trade committee  Perfect. That's lovely. You will find some interesting similarities with what I'd like to say. Unfortunately, I did prepare notes, so I will have to stick with them probably. As mentioned, my name is Sven Freybe. I'm the CEO of Freybe Gourmet Foods. I'm the third generation in Canada, and the sixth overall within our family to be involved in the business.