International Trade committee  I see I'm early. Yesterday I spoke here on the CETA agreement and you understand the impact it has on dairy. I want to reiterate that, to put it on the record that the CETA agreement has presently increased CETA's access of cheese to close to 16,000 tonnes extra now and that is effectively doubling the current EU access.

International Trade committee  I would say so if it were unfettered access where we could sell at a profit, yes. The key word is “profit”.

International Trade committee  Milk.

International Trade committee  Anybody can do business by giving things away.

International Trade committee  That's not the way to do business.

International Trade committee  Yes, and all day too....

International Trade committee  I'm going to say you actually did not a bad job, considering.... And I know the people on the other side here might disagree with that.... I've got to compliment the government on this “pizza kit” issue that we've had, where people were trying to circumvent the border again, and it was your government, or my government, or whoever....

International Trade committee  All of our government in this room brought that to fruition. We've had Liberal governments, we've had Conservative governments. We have not had an NDP government—

International Trade committee  The reality is, I have to compliment the government that is existing today...that they did move in on the “pizza kits”. I want to say one thing here and we're going to have some fun here because I have to get a jab in too. It is remarkable that we've been lobbying for almost a year and a half, we've eroded a bunch of our markets, and it took no more than a week and a half and an order in council to have it done.

International Trade committee  Yes, you did that with milk protein concentrates. There are a number of loopholes more that we have to work with the government on, if we're going to continue on. You did do that and there are some whey protein concentrates now. And there are other products that are trying to come into this market too that we have to work on.

International Trade committee  No, it's not fair to say.

International Trade committee  It's not fair to say that at all.

International Trade committee  Okay. It's not a barrier, it's a scapegoat. We keep hearing that from the high-tech industry, or the beef industry, that it's.... You know, people want access to our market because it is a captured market. They don't have to compete against anybody else in the world to come into our market.

International Trade committee  I'm not an expert on it, but I do understand it a little bit. I think you've touched on the fact that we can't ship into the Parmesan region of wherever that is, and we can't ship into feta, wherever that is. It's just that those are geographical indications of the product, and—

International Trade committee  I guess we could ask for Canadian cheddar. I don't know if that's significant in the eyes of the Europeans or Americans.