Finance committee  They can manage those facilities on lands if that is given to them in their letters patent. There is a specific schedule for that. They can also lease or own private land. In terms of federal, they can own land in their own right as well, but not federal real property.

Finance committee  That's an excellent question. I'm not completely sure. I have been told that the idea was always that they would be able to have both real property and federal real property. At this point we're trying to support, in part, the divestiture of Transport Canada-owned ports. We used to have, I think,180.