Health committee  The process has always varied in the past, depending on the circumstances. Sometimes I would reach out to the chief of staff or the senior policy adviser and say that this issue is on the radar and we should probably discuss it. I would say that more often then not, it was reve

Health committee  No.

Health committee  Yes, for sure. That's where things started to basically unravel. When you're meeting 13 times with the industry and zero times with an agency within your own portfolio, I don't think good things can come from that generally. That doesn't include the meetings that were also held

Health committee  Yes.

Health committee  If I did, then I don't recall that part of it. I would have understood the—

Health committee  I think what she means is that we failed to obtain a meeting for her.

Health committee  She directed me and one of my staff on multiple occasions to do that. We sought to operationalize that. She also, in her letter of reply to the minister, asked for a meeting.

Health committee  That is a question that baffles me to this day. First of all, we have a duty to consult the minister on our guidelines, not on our consultation process. If the concern is that stakeholders haven't had enough time to properly understand the mechanisms that are being consulted on—

Health committee  Well, I think, as everybody here knows, the government is quite intent on attracting investment in domestic manufacturing capacity in the event of a future pandemic. I think it's also pretty clear that the PMPRB reforms are the fly in the ointment in those efforts. I think the im

Health committee  That's a really good question. Look, the government adopted a regulatory policy that its own analysts said was going to result in $10 billion less revenue for the industry. They turned it over to us to operationalize that policy, but I think with an expectation that we were all

Health committee  Yes, it was in 2017. The PMPRB started consulting on reforms to its guidelines in 2016, and then the government picked up that process and elevated it to changes to the regulations.

Health committee  Three major policy reforms....

Health committee  Yes.

Health committee  That's correct.

Health committee  Just the change to the schedule of countries.