Information & Ethics committee  Do you mean in my career?

Information & Ethics committee  This is the second time, sir.

Information & Ethics committee  No, sir. I always tell the truth.

Information & Ethics committee  Certainly not intentionally.

Information & Ethics committee  Never.

Information & Ethics committee  I had one conversation, a phone conversation, on April 24, between me, my colleague at ESDC, Mr. Kielburger and Sofia Marquez.

Information & Ethics committee  To me directly, there were none. I only obtained proposals from either ESDC or my minister's office.

Information & Ethics committee  Nobody at any time instructed me to do any choosing of a charity. We carefully and thoughtfully came to the decision in the end that WE Charity was the best-placed organization to deliver—in COVID times, in the very, very tight time frame—what the ambitious scope of desire was.

Information & Ethics committee  That is a question for ESDC, but yes, I do know that is the case.

Information & Ethics committee  I don't believe it got to the Treasury Board stage. We certainly had a funding decision, so the Minister of Finance and the.... The next phase, of course, would be for the ESDC minister to develop a contribution agreement, and that's what goes to the Treasury Board.

Information & Ethics committee  I'm not sure; I would have to confirm. However, it sounds like it must in fact have been the case.

Information & Ethics committee  I am aware of it because I've been reading it in all the documents that were produced for FINA, so I am aware of it now.

Information & Ethics committee  I believe the Treasury Board Secretariat and ESDC were asking the right questions that needed to be asked prior to giving their advice.

Information & Ethics committee  I did not know that at the time.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you. Mr. Poilievre, with respect to the Treasury Board Secretariat and their interpretation, assumptions and whatever, I think it's best, obviously, that I should not speculate. You should ask TBS. With respect to my email that you referenced, I would like to explain to t