Industry committee  Since our licence agreements are with the universities, we receive a declaration from them that covers 80% of the books. What they declare is essentially books. The licence does not cover international publishers. Moreover, the amounts we pay those international publishers are peanuts to them.

Industry committee  Absolutely. What the universities are telling you is really that they are paying more for acquisitions, while what they pay us for is reproduction.

Industry committee  The concept of fair dealing has always been in Canada's act. It is an integral part of it, just as the collective societies are. It is part of the balance. The real problem is the way the universities are interpreting fair dealing for education today. If we adopt provisions similar to what we see in Great Britain, New Zealand or Australia, but in another form, that would balance out the situation and secure royalties for institutional and systematic mass reproduction.

Industry committee  Hello. Thank you for inviting me here today. My name is Frédérique Couette. I am the executive director of Copibec, the Société québécoise de gestion collective des droits de reproduction. Established in 1997, Copibec is the management collective of the community of Quebec authors and publishers.