Industry committee  Yes, I referenced commercial piracy. We're talking about pirate sites, the sites that are wilfully engaged in making money from selling pirated content through various means. That's really the target of the discussion. YouTube has various business models, but I don't think we're talking about YouTube anymore, because the content that's been put up on YouTube has largely been commercialized.

Industry committee  The Pirate Bay is the best example. It's an older example, but that's a prime example. I know you've heard of a few others over the last few weeks. The Pirate Bay, as far as I know, has been largely shut down, but Wendy certainly has the stats on all of those for you.

Industry committee  Thank you. Mr. Chair, my name is Erin Finlay. I'm the Chief Legal Officer of the Canadian Media Producers Association. With me today is Stephen Stohn, President of SkyStone Media and Executive Producer of the hit television series Degrassi: Next Class—and all previous versions of that great hit show.