Public Accounts committee  We see numbers for Ontario and apparently Quebec. What are the numbers for British Columbia? How many have the training for carbines and how many would have body armour?

Public Accounts committee  Please do. Also, if you could, those numbers in regard to the Surrey detachment would be of importance to us.

Public Accounts committee  How is the RCMP going to conduct assessments at the division or detachment level, given commanding officers' evidence-based information, to continue to make the sound, risk-based decision on the carbine to be assessed? How do you make that decision? I understand that the north was given priority first, but if an officer is on patrol and hears a call for something that they need a carbine for, do they stop and go back, or should they rest assured that their vehicle has the body armour and carbine they need to go and assess the situation?

Public Accounts committee  How do you ensure that all of them are carbine trained? Why wouldn't every officer be carbine trained? When you have an annual fitness review, and so on, or other reviews where you make sure that the officer has complied, why isn't carbine training one of those things?

Public Accounts committee  So the KPMGs, the big five, would be well advanced?

Public Accounts committee  Do you think that the weakness in IT also affects productivity such that you need more people to do the same amount of work? Does it have an impact on that? Is there a cost benefit to getting upgraded IT software, in the sense that you will have to use, perhaps, fewer man-hours or will be able to get more audits done with a more sophisticated, up-to-date IT software than with outdated software?

Public Accounts committee  On that same wavelength, is there an issue that new or recent grads from the audit world are trained on software that is much more advanced and, therefore, find it challenging to work with a more primitive system such as we may have? Is that what you're trying to allude to? For somebody coming out of university who applies to a government job, the software that he or she is trained in is perhaps more advanced than the software that is being used in the Government of Canada.

Public Accounts committee  It's on cybersecurity. Do you have contingency plans in the event of a cybersecurity event, based on the current technology you have?

Public Accounts committee  Thank you.

Public Accounts committee  I'm going to ask about the IT systems, which have been asked about quite a bit. I think this issue brings concern in an age of cyber-espionage and cybersecurity. Which IT systems will be at the end of their supported lives? Is it the software you use to actually do the audits, or to store the audits, or...?

Public Accounts committee  Would you say that the IT software you have is currently not comparable to what is being used in the private sector, such that when you extract that data, the softwares do not interface? Is that the challenge?

Public Accounts committee  It's actually Ms. Yip.

Public Accounts committee  My second question has to do with the refugee delay and backlog. When you say the recommendation was for two months as the goal, is that to be a protected person, or for your full refugee process, down to permanent residence? Was two months to be declared a protected person not maintained, or was it a full process, taking up to two years, and now you're anticipating it might even be five?

Public Accounts committee  Do you mean as a protected person or as a permanent resident?

Public Accounts committee  As to the RCMP, my understanding is that enough carbines and body armour were provided, but it's not guaranteed that they are distributed. Is there a deficiency in the methodology that the RCMP uses to distribute these, or is this a willingness issue that they don't think everyone needs it?