Public Safety committee  The “other reasons” that they're speaking of are a cut-and-paste job from the old legislation, which read that way. It would give the head of the institution the opportunity and the ability to place inmates into 31(3)(a) segregation, at any belief that there was the opinion that the inmate would be a threat to the general public or area.

Public Safety committee  There are two different forms of administrative segregation—

Public Safety committee  There's a little bad blood between us and Elizabeth Fry because we don't agree with the abolishment of segregation.

Public Safety committee  He's speaking of 31(3)(a), in the original existing legislation for the—

Public Safety committee  We're talking about murderers and people who have been in jail and who are security risks. There has to be some credit back to the people who are protecting the public to be able to separate people where there's a risk of real violence. The shit that I've been through, okay, you can't—

Public Safety committee  Okay. You don't speak for everybody, because you can't speak for the guards that—

Public Safety committee  No confidence.

Public Safety committee  Out of the 2,580 or so days I spent there throughout my 19 years in federal custody, I saw countless men disintegrate in front of my eyes within hours of placement in segregation—not able to take the banging, not able to take the administration's way of dealing with them, or not able to take the lack of POs or chaplains or imams being able to get to these areas.

Public Safety committee  The daily visits consist of three medical parades that consist of, for instance, a 7 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. med parade, where they go and distribute medication to those areas. Most of—

Public Safety committee  No problem.

Public Safety committee  Yes, ma'am.

Public Safety committee  Without independent and impartial adjudication at every level where there is a deprivation of your civil liberties inside, you need to be protected. That can't happen at this stage right now. It's not functional. You're talking about millions and millions of dollars being allocated to services that Anne Kelly doesn't have available right now.

Public Safety committee  Okay. Like I said, without there being an independent impartial adjudicator to deal with you, once you've been arrested.... You must understand the legislation as it stands, before you guys try to change the bill. It stands that as soon as I am placed in segregation or as soon as I'm transferred, I've effectively been arrested, so my section 7 rights immediately kick in.

Public Safety committee  Yes, I will. My name is Lawrence Da Silva. I've just finished 19 straight years in federal custody. I've been out for two years and two months. Where I would like to start is where we left off yesterday. I was watching this on TV. This was given to me on short notice. I immediately became aware of this bill and then what's going on with this bill and how it will affect people.