Human Resources committee  I don't have that information. It's not something we manage within the labour program. In the unlikely event that either Elisha or Mark happens to be aware, I might turn to them.

Human Resources committee  I can. What I should do is be clear. While I am currently the acting deputy minister of the labour program, in addition to that and separate from that, I also happen to be the chair of the council for CCOHS. It's from that perspective that I'll respond. What I would say is that they have undertaken a significant amount of work to ensure that people were well positioned to respond, again, in all sectors and across all jurisdictions within Canada.

Human Resources committee  I don't have the exact number. I will turn to Brenda in case she does. What I do know is that the average payment is between $4,000 and $4,500, but she might have the precise number. Brenda, is there any chance that this is the case?

Human Resources committee  Yes, we do track the number of folks who have had challenges in this space. As I was saying before—

Human Resources committee  Okay. Yes, we do track the number of organizations that access the WEPP as a result of bankruptcies. As I said before, it has gone down. I believe it is 83% of what we experienced last year that have declared bankruptcy and have come through our program, which is less. However, as I mentioned before—which I find quite interesting—the number of folks, individuals, who worked for them is higher, which means that more larger organizations have gone bankrupt than small or mid-sized organizations.

Human Resources committee  Would it be helpful if I restate it?

Human Resources committee  Again, my apologies. My understanding is that, year-to-date, and that goes up to the end of September as that's when we most recently tracked, the number of bankruptcies that we've had is 186 versus 223 in the same period last year. That represents 83%, so that's fewer bankruptcies than normal.

Human Resources committee  Okay, so, I'm going to try again. I had stated—and, again, I apologize that I don't have the precise total number—that I do believe that the average payment for the individuals who have accessed it is somewhere between $4,000 and $4,500 each. Brenda, if you could confirm that, it would be helpful.

Human Resources committee  There are two parts to my response. One is that at the federal level, we are having discussions with our colleagues in the provinces and territories about common approaches. While I know you're aware that we don't regulate child care and early childhood learning facilities, I will say that the CCOHS, which the minister referred to a number of times, has been developing information and guidance for those contexts.

Human Resources committee  I will turn to both Tony and Elisha to help support the response. To start, I will say that every employer has a duty to accommodate folks with physical or mental challenges. Immune challenges are health challenges like any other. While there are approaches that we've taken to help address this, it's not exclusively through this mechanism that folks should have these conversations.

Human Resources committee  Yes, you understood correctly.

Human Resources committee  Thank you again for your question. The documentation refers to $2.3 million, and about $500,000 is earmarked for employment equity activities. In fact, now we have a big project with Ryerson University. Ryerson is right now conducting work to the tune of about $500,000 over the life of the project, for work that is expected to inform that particular area.

Human Resources committee  The law requires every organization under the federal government to report annually and monitor progress. With that approach, it is clear to all Canadians and they can see whether or not we have made progress in each of the four areas.

Human Resources committee  As the minister said, the system has a plan to implement this initiative in the near future.

Human Resources committee  As I said, of course, if we have—