Canadian Heritage committee  It's not necessarily. It could well be that it's the case, and I think that's part of the gap we've identified in this work.

Canadian Heritage committee  Roughly speaking, the operating budget is $50 million per year.

Canadian Heritage committee  In cash alone it's been $50 million in safe sport-related activities over the last eight years, and then we could add a whole host of value in kind that we get from our partners. We partner with consultancies, law firms, mental health resources, Deloitte, Queen's University Smith School of Business, Fasken, LifeWorks and so on.

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm sorry. I have done very well, so far, understanding all of your questions. I'm not sure I understand that one. I apologize.

Canadian Heritage committee  I believe that we've already put in place the governance measures of which you speak. We have an athlete voice. We have six Olympians on the Canadian Olympic Committee board, two of whom come directly from our Athletes' Commission, Rosie MacLennan and Inaki Gomez, and broad board diversity from among several intersectionalities.

Canadian Heritage committee  I wasn't with the Canadian Olympic Committee at that time, so I can't speak to what happened in 2016 and 2017.

Canadian Heritage committee  It's difficult for me to speak with knowledge of facts from the time when I wasn't in this role or wasn't with the Canadian Olympic Committee, but let me say this. As it related to the situation with Marcel Aubut when he was president of the Canadian Olympic Committee, an independent investigation was conducted that led to widespread recommendations that the COC entertained, all of which were accepted and implemented.

Canadian Heritage committee  The link is that we're associated in sport and that athletes and coaches from the national sports organizations who achieve the highest level are ultimately invited to participate at the Olympic Games. That's why you see some overlap. The reality is that the Canadian Olympic Committee has no oversight over any of the national sports organizations, which is why we focused on investing in enhancements, sharing best practices, offering services and hoping that the national sports organizations take us up on them.

Canadian Heritage committee  I tried to watch and listen to as much of the testimony as possible. I've found the stories to be tragic. I also commend those athletes for sharing their stories. I think it's taken an immense amount of bravery to come forward. I believe it's our obligation as sports leaders to use those stories and to channel them to make this system a safer one.

Canadian Heritage committee  That's correct.

Canadian Heritage committee  Generally speaking, that's correct as well.

Canadian Heritage committee  No, this was a complete surprise to me and to my colleagues. We were not in a position to know this, so when we heard so many of these athletes come forward, their stories were shocking and horrific to us, yes.

Canadian Heritage committee  Let me say that part was less shocking to us. Even before I arrived at the Canadian Olympic Committee, my colleagues had identified that there was a lack of uniformity among governance and standards for the over 60 sports organizations. We channelled thousands of hours of governance experts pro bono and created, with the help of these experts, a Canadian sport governance code.

Canadian Heritage committee  I'd like to hope that the measures that athletes ask for, so there is a place to go to complain about abuse and harassment free from fear or retribution, have been put in place at the national level. My real concern is the alignment. There are millions of participants in sport at the provincial and club levels who don't have those same sorts of systems in place yet, and that's where I'd recommend we focus.

Canadian Heritage committee  Our absolute obligation is to Canadians and to Canadian athletes.