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Status of Women committee  In my personal experience, no matter what rank you hold, it's never equal to.... In my profession and in my personal experience, I didn't ever hold as high a rank as any male counterpart, whether it was that they don't salute me or didn't respect it if I had something to say. I lived that daily.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  Thank you for your question. In terms of the abuse of power and threats against women serving in the Canadian Armed Forces, there's a boys club culture. To bring up a misconduct issue and have it heard, you have to go through the chain of command. Women stop talking because they're worried about the impact on their careers, their workplaces and their colleagues.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  The reports are made to the military police. This isn't the ideal setting for a woman to speak about the matter for the first time. It's difficult to speak about the matter. The victims aren't accompanied by a resource person who could be there for them.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  Madam Chair, I think that I was only interviewed by male resources, and when I noted this to them, it felt like I had to drag back up 25 years ago when I was a police officer and think about what I should be telling them as mentoring them, because I had to mention many, many things to them during the process.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  There's not specific misconduct training, no. That is missing. We could have discussions regarding prevention and enlightening new recruits to what it could be like and how to protect themselves. That would definitely help.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  There is no segregated training for young boys. Courses are given, just as every other course is given at CFLRS, where I was posted. They highlight this education for them like any other course. It's not specific to boys or girls or young men or young ladies who join.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  I didn't have the ability to say no. They were orders. He would speak at length until I agreed. “A one-way talk” is what we call it.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  Madam Chair, I have deposed that with the CFNIS: recordings, emails, texts and testimony.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  One of the ones that I especially couldn't figure out was that I was going to be questioned by his spouse, who's a lawyer, and questioned over and over and over again if I didn't say the right thing—that somehow she was going to come and see me and question me. He said that I was not to mention certain things about our relationship, our personal lives.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  My chain of command reported to the military police and started an investigation. It wasn't the other way around.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  I was interviewed for two entire days, six hours on each, and deposed information with the CFNIS as evidence and testimony.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  Madam Chair, yes. It's recorded, and the CFNIS has all of the recordings of him directing me in what to say, what not to say, how to say it, what to exclude, to perjure myself and to lie because—

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  Was there a threat, meaning bodily harm? No.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  Definitely. He gave me very many consequences if I did not follow his orders, Madam Chair.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan

Status of Women committee  I have no knowledge. Since I deposed my testimony twice in February, the only thing I've received are two update emails that simply said they were still on the case. No other information has been given to me.

April 22nd, 2021Committee meeting

Maj Kellie Brennan