Canadian Heritage committee  Mr. Shortliffe, I'm going to cut you off there, because I do need to move a motion, but thank you very much for giving it your best shot.

Canadian Heritage committee  I just gave notice that I'm moving a motion, which means the clock stops. I am moving a motion. “Given the amount....” I'm sorry, Chair, but I just said that I'm moving a motion.

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm just being interrupted across the table.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you. The motion that I wish to move is as follows: Given the amount of outstanding work at this committee, the committee instruct the chair to schedule five meetings between July 8 and September 13 to address reports that consumers may face higher prices after streaming giants are told to invest $200 million in Canadian film, TV and music, and the impact this will have, the minister’s outstanding appearance on anti-racism and other matters deemed relevant by the committee.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you very much. A very quick question I have for you is this: The bill uses the word “consult”. If this bill were to go through, how would the CRTC define “consult”? How would you know, in fact, that you have done so?

Canadian Heritage committee  Sure. One thing that is continually happening at this table is a lot of talk about consulting with Quebec. However, you'll note that Bill C-354 also requires you to consult with the governments of other provinces. Is that correct?

Canadian Heritage committee  Great. You are here, of course, as representatives of the CRTC. You're responsible for regulating radio, television and, under Bill C-11, the Internet. You've already stated that's a pretty big job. There are, of course, many anxious players in the field who are looking for a definition of CanCon.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you. Bill C-63 does something very interesting. Rather than updating the Criminal Code to include deepfakes.... It doesn't do that at all. Deepfakes aren't mentioned in the bill, and folks are not protected from them—not in any criminal way. I believe that's an issue. Secondly, platforms will be subject to perhaps an assessment and a ruling by an extrajudicial, bureaucratic arm that will be created, but again, there's nothing criminal attached to platforms allowing for the perpetuation of things like deepfakes or other non-consensual images.

Canadian Heritage committee  Sure. I am running out of time, so perhaps the comments could be brief.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you very much.

Canadian Heritage committee  Mr. Szemok-Uto, I'm sorry. I did intend to leave you more time. I'm not sure if you wish to comment.

Canadian Heritage committee  We're probably out of time. Maybe I'll conclude by saying this. I think at the end of the day, what's being made clear at the table is that it's not enough just to signal good intentions. Rather, what I'm hearing from folks is that we do need an updated Criminal Code in order to go after those who would create and propagate deepfakes.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you. Thank you, witnesses, for giving us your time here today and for sharing your expertise. My first question goes to Ms. Moreau and Ms. Rourke. In your opening statement, you said the Criminal Code should be expanded to include deepfakes. Then you went on to say that this isn't actually enough.

Canadian Heritage committee  I think it does, to some extent. I guess I'm just curious, though; it feels like the responsibility of platforms is somewhat being dismissed by your answer. It's not that you're intending to do that, but I just want to tap into this a little bit further. Should platforms not have a duty of care when it comes to—

Canadian Heritage committee  Why would you have to pick one and not the other?