Human Resources committee  Thank you for the question. The three investments I mentioned are all part of the program. The fund I mentioned runs in parallel. The two programs have complementary goals, but are separate programs.

Human Resources committee  Yes, I would say the funding is going to make a difference and better equip organizations to be in the running for additional funding opportunities. We took note of Ms. Hall's testimony last week or the week before, and would underline her point that funding investment is necessary in order to have the capacity to be part of larger granting contribution programs.

Human Resources committee  Collective impact models are used in other programming within the department. In terms of the SBCCI initiative, in budget 2022, the government signalled its interest and intention.... It's thinking about the future of the program. As the development or work continues in that regard, different models may be an option, including on collective impact, but there will be more to come.

Human Resources committee  To clarify, do you mean from the time of application or from the time of decision?

Human Resources committee  I'll turn to Katie for that again because we have two different approaches. Maybe we'll speak to both, if that's okay.

Human Resources committee  I don't have an exact number at my fingertips. What I can tell you today is that the number is very large. These organizations are small, have not generally had previous investments and require additional assistance to build their own organizational capacity in order to be considered for larger grants or other grants.

Human Resources committee  I can tell you that the average is $36,000. For the range, I may have to turn to Sandra to see if she has that at her fingertips. If not, we'd be happy to come back to the committee with that in writing.

Human Resources committee  Absolutely. As part of the initiative, as with any program, the results framework is a key portion of the program and the measurement of the results. There is a set of outcomes that we're seeking short term, medium term and long term. I'm going to turn to Sandra to give us a high-level overview of what those indicators are.

Human Resources committee  Thank you. I'll turn to Sandra for that one.

Human Resources committee  I'll turn to Katie for that in just a moment. I would underline the unique or more innovative model that we're using for this program, which I think you heard a bit about earlier in the week. We're using the intermediary model. A portion of the program is delivered by ESDC through our program operations branch.

Human Resources committee  Thank you. On the first pillar, capacity building, the SBCCI works with communities to support a sustainable ecosystem of Black-led and Black-serving organizations. As you heard on Monday, to ensure that community voices are centred, funding is provided to high-capacity Black-led organizations that act as national funders, and in turn provide funding for capacity building to smaller Black-led community-based organizations.

Human Resources committee  It's just one statement, Mr. Chair.

Human Resources committee  Thank you very much for the invitation to be here today. It's lovely to be here in person with you. As the chair noted, my name is Karen Hall. I'm the associate assistant deputy minister of the income security and social development branch at Employment and Social Development Canada.