Information & Ethics committee  Can you repeat the question? Sorry.

Information & Ethics committee  I strongly believe that a more external, more explicit public display is worth it. Right now, as you know, we are under COVID. People are looking at the racism of Chinese Canadians. This line that setting up a registry is an attack on the Chinese Canadian community, I will not buy.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, this is something that has been exposed by a Spanish non-governmental organization and we had not known about it before. However, once it was pointed out to us who runs these stations and who is behind them, who the civil organizations behind these police stations are, we were not surprised because these are well-known names.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  It has been so long. I certainly will try my best.

Information & Ethics committee  Not our organization, but certainly I can get you the information if you would like.

Information & Ethics committee  It would be my pleasure to do that.

Information & Ethics committee  These are basically public records. One of the things I want to talk about is that I speak the language, I live the culture and I understand the modus operandi of the Chinese Communist Party, as well as many of its proxies, so we are in a sense on the ground. We pretty much know who's who.

Information & Ethics committee  I can share many incidents with you. Just to illustrate the kind of strong arm of the law, if you will, of the Chinese here in Canada and the kind of subtle way they can do this by exerting fear on the Chinese Canadian community, in a very typical example, you get a phone call, not just in the middle of the night but also in the middle of the day and they say, “So, how are your parents doing back in Sichuan, China?”

Information & Ethics committee  It's standard modus operandi. Chinese consulates may not do it directly. They have their proxies as a wink-wink thing. This is business people arranging for buses and paying stipends, something like $20 or $50 a day, to bus in people either to nomination meetings or to do counterprotesting.

Information & Ethics committee  The astroturfing during the head tax redress fight, in which the Chinese Canadian community asked the government to pay restoration and apologize for the Chinese Exclusion Act and its head tax, was a campaign that was carried out over 20 years before that by people in the Chinese Canadian community.

Information & Ethics committee  Good morning, Mr. Chair. The Toronto Association for Democracy in China was founded on the eve of the Tiananmen Square massacre of June 4, 1989. Our organization supports democracy and advocates for human rights in China. As well, in recent years, we have been a watchdog for Chinese interference on Canadian soil.