Canadian Heritage committee  I can't speak for any other legislators. I can tell you that I'm watching. I know athletes are watching, and parents are watching. Canada and the United States.... I have family here. We are not so different. We may have borders, but I always feel that Canada is also part of my home.

Canadian Heritage committee  You have to impose time frames. If you have an investigation for 10 years, is there any evidence? After 10 years, if you don't have any evidence, what's going on? You need to have some kind of evidence. Also, when there's a case against people, take those people out so the rest can move forward.

Canadian Heritage committee  Again, money talks. In the United States, if I make a Freedom of Information Act complaint or request, they have to respond within so many days. They can ask for an extension. If they don't comply, there's money attached. If they don't comply again, they can come to court. Why aren't you having deadlines?

Canadian Heritage committee  I've spoken nationally and locally in Michigan and in other states. There are some common problems. First, you have to acknowledge that there is a problem. A lot of people don't want to acknowledge that there's a problem, because then it's a loss of money. One of the successes we've had is that they were able to put 50% of athletes on a governing body.

Canadian Heritage committee  Not only should we learn from each other, but we should also partner together. In the Olympics, we should partner together for safety. If America sees something Canada is doing right or wrong, we should talk about it. It's the same thing if Canada sees something America is doing right or wrong.

Canadian Heritage committee  If you don't speak up, you're part of the problem. I would always rather be part of the solution and pave a new road. Paving a new road means that we can make sure people are safe and we can fully explore the options. Going on the same tired road means that we are not looking at the forest or the trees.

Canadian Heritage committee  Right now you have a culture of gaslighting and grooming that has become normalized. People don't speak up, out of fear. They've seen that they're not going to play the next game. Their friends are going to make fun of them. They're going to be kicked off. They're going to be bullied.

Canadian Heritage committee  I totally agree: Whistle-blowers need to be protected. There needs to be a fundamental change in all sports, but, again, it begins at the top. It begins with listening to the athletes. If we don't listen to the athletes, if we don't bring in those whistle-blowers and ask what prompted them, what the roadblocks were and how we can help them, then we have not done enough.

Canadian Heritage committee  Contaminated evidence is a huge issue, even in the United States. There has to be protection of the chain of custody. There has to be some education about what we need to gather, how we gather it and where it goes before it's lost, destroyed or contaminated, because that is also a huge problem in the United States.

Canadian Heritage committee  I don't know all the nuances about it, but I can tell you that the United States is still not a leader, because it has not changed enough. We still don't look at the enablers and bystanders. Although we have certain protections and training that have to come forward with sports to protect children, it is not enough.

Canadian Heritage committee  I think we said it earlier: Money talks. Stop the money until the problem is corrected, and it will be cleaned up really quickly.

Canadian Heritage committee  Well, hopefully it never gets to that, because they've done the right things with the training. You have to have a fair and impartial body that's doing the investigation. You need to not have leaks, but they need to be on the payroll and relieved of duties with the kids, the children.

Canadian Heritage committee  I would say, to the highest level. They should not fund child abuse. If they're not doing exactly what you said, which is removing the funding, then they are supporting child abuse. That cannot be tolerated. It has to be cleaned up, and they should not get the money back until it is cleaned up.

Canadian Heritage committee  These children all grow up. It doesn't matter.... These athletes who are now adults were children. They grew up through this process. They've been groomed and gaslighted to shut up and live in fear. We need to keep them safe, protected and heard. Canada truly could be the leader.

Canadian Heritage committee  Yes. If you go back and watch—I have not done it, but I remember very well—you'll see that the “sister survivors” and others testified in front of me. I heard 169 people testify, of whom 156 were sister survivors. I kept saying, “There's another crime, and there's another crime.”