Industry committee  Leah Lawrence never said that to me. Nobody ever told me directly to stop.

Industry committee  I did, yes. That's the first I heard that they had been telling her, “Get him to quit it.”

Industry committee  Well, be careful of the contrast between algorithms very broadly and learning models narrowly. There is the open source that they are doing with the Facebook account case and how that locks you into needing their tools. So those are open or sort of open, but the algorithms that manipulate our children or do the other forms of biasing are long-standing and have been around since the beginning of the surveillance capitalism model some 20 years ago.

Industry committee  There isn't, not if the legislation is wrong. Also, we should not squander the scarce resources we have to try to build on the kind of country we inherited.

Industry committee  I'd be happy to.

Industry committee  I've been doing digital framework since I started commercializing ideas globally, generally, because I learned globally that the game is won and lost on the intersection of the public policy frameworks and the private firms' activities. It's the marriage of those two things. More specifically, on the surveillance economy, I wrote a large piece for The Globe and Mail in 2015 that really turned on and turned the narrative away from what I would call our outdated approaches that cost us that, and then more publicly on the Sidewalk Labs project to privatize government in Toronto in 2017, so specifically on surveillance, 2015 and 2017, but on intangibles, it's been 25 years.

Industry committee  Yes, and I give real credit to Bob Zimmer, Nate Erskine-Smith and Charlie Angus, who led a cross-partisan approach in saying that if we don't address these issues, we're going to pay a security price, a social price and an economic price. I found that a very constructive interplay with the committee in being able to participate as a witness.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  I only got it indirectly. I didn't have anyone address me directly on these issues. I was trying to explain that the initiative not only would undermine civil liberties but was foundationally undermining the opportunity for our domestic smart city companies at a time when the priority was to transition to the green economy.

Industry committee  Chairman Lightbound and honourable members, happy Valentine's Day. Thank you for the opportunity to come back and expand on my previous testimony to include concerns about the artificial intelligence and data act. AIDA's flaws in both process and substance are well documented by the expert witnesses.

Industry committee  There's a structural asymmetry in the nature of this evidence, where you click a consent where somebody writes a sophisticated consent and then somebody does click, or the individual doesn't have the ability to exploit their data, but a large company can. There's also a marked failure in the ability to follow through on a complaint.

Industry committee  An individual who thinks they've been harmed has the ability to file a complaint and use the judicial system to say that they've been harmed and not appeal to a busy regulator that is grappling with budget constraints, multiple priorities and possibly different points of view based on their circumstance.

Industry committee  You can't really own data; it's about control of the data. The question of who's allowed to collect it in the first place...that's lawlessness. We're living in a lawless world right now, so people are just doing it without any real laws that say what you're allowed to do in the first place.

Industry committee  Yes. I chaired a panel on data authority for the Province of Ontario and I've been talking to them. In these elements of new privacy legislation and digital sharing protocols, it's a persistent structured form of consultation, including labour, including parents and including all kinds of communities, so that the licence has to be developed and maintained, because this moves laterally.

Industry committee  Absolutely. First of all, I was commenting on adequacy. You have to maintain a threshold to interact with Europeans in the Canadian realm. When you look at the elements, very simply, of how you deal with children's data and how you deal with political party data, I don't believe that would survive a test.