Public Accounts committee  Yes. It was on December 25, 2000, I believe.

Public Accounts committee  We certainly have drastically reduced the number of contractors. In the 11 months I've been here, the number has gone down by over 25% and we're on target to drop that down probably another 25% by the end of the next fiscal year. To Mr. Moor's point, staff augmentation is well used in government and in the private sector, but it has to be used in the right way.

Public Accounts committee  Typically, it's around cutting-edge technology, including what ArriveCAN was built on. If you think about modern cloud applications that are using cutting-edge tools, the in-house staff often doesn't have those skills. Contractors should be brought in for a specific initiative on those skill sets, but they should also be used to cross-train your existing staff to allow them to take over, going forward, so you don't become reliant on those contractors.

Public Accounts committee  Nothing at all.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you for the question. I've only been at CBSA for 11 months. I was not CIO at the time. Prior to me, Minh Doan was CIO, for the last five years.

Public Accounts committee  I am not aware of that.

Public Accounts committee  If the reference was specifically to the chief information officer of the CBSA in the last five years, that would have been Minh Doan.

Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  I am not aware that it was said.

Public Accounts committee  All I've heard is the testimony in committees referencing that certain testimony was on the GC Strategies website.

Public Accounts committee  It surprised me, as you wouldn't typically see that, at least in my experience.

Public Accounts committee  I'm not actually aware of who the chief data officer was at the time, sorry.

Public Accounts committee  I'm not part of the internal investigation, which I would assume is also going to be looking at that.

Public Accounts committee  I'm not aware of that either.

Public Accounts committee  It's impossible for me to answer that, as there is no detail on who actually said that and what their position was.