Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, if you went from 1993 to 2003, their maximum is ten years.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes. I stand by that.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I stand by what I said. I'd also like to point out the reason everyone was reassessed with the nine competencies. I wanted to make sure they met the requirements—not only the new people coming in.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  The evidence was in the newspapers. We were always in the newspaper and being criticized. We render 60,000 decisions in three tribunals a year, so we were in the newspapers. I have a tribunal board that is only public servants, and they never make the headlines. I'm not saying one is more competent than the other—far from it.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I think that if ever the legislation is open...it's for the government to decide. I think reappointment should be the purview of the chair. I have no problem that it's the government that appoints when they come in, but once a person has done their mark, they're evaluated. This reappointment process is insecure.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't count, but I've probably met with the minister about eight times.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I didn't say that. What I'm saying is that the minister is the chair of an independent tribunal. With the minister, when we talk, the only agenda is about appointments because the functioning of the board is my accountability to this committee, to the minister.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'm going from memory without naming names, but it's all on the website. There is a university professor in Edmonton who teaches public law and was a former member; a former assistant deputy minister of immigration who has a long-standing high reputation; the former president of the Canadian Council for Refugees; Mr.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I must say there is a service to the public.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I stand by the numbers. They're based on projections of the number of people I have.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I can't speak about the individual, because first of all, this person will have fair play and justice. There's no doubt about that. With respect to the future, I can't talk about the specificity, because it is a refugee and it is confidential. But generally with such severe situations, we have the capacity to start over.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, because our productivity has not changed. There are two boards on which backlogs are developing. There's the appeal side, where we're now at 9,000 and will possibly be at 11,000. Anything can happen.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  The refugee side numbers were the first numbers I gave you, and on the appeal side I'm giving you the....

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I said four.