Environment committee  I'd be happy to do that.

Environment committee  They're real figures to the extent that you believe Statistics Canada's estimates are real figures. They're good enough for me. I'm glad you've pointed to that column, because I put that column there for a reason. I think when all Canadians are looking at a table like this, the last two columns raise a very important question, and I think this points to one of the disconnects that's happening in our national debate.

Environment committee  Yes.

Environment committee  And Saskatchewan.

Environment committee  I can't speak for government. But speaking for industry—not that I'm mandated necessarily to represent any companies—when you come to me and say I have to reduce my emissions 6% below my 1990 baseline or 25% below my 1990 baseline or 10% below my 2000 baseline, the first thing I do to figure out what that means to me is say, “What does that number equal relative to my current emissions?”

Environment committee  I got your question until your last two sentences. I'm not sure I understood it. Would you mind repeating it in English?

Environment committee  Thank you for asking that question. The numbers in this table are based on the reference point for calculating the reductions as 1990. What I was trying to show you in this table is what that reduction goal represents relative to what the actual emissions were in 2005. So I didn't adjust the proposed target at all.

Environment committee  I do, and I'd be happy to send any revision to this table you'd like, with any different baseline. I'd be happy to do that.

Environment committee  I could if I were using another set of business-as-usual forecasts. The forecast I elected to use here was the National Energy Board's forecast, which goes out to only 2030. But what I could do, if you can wait until next week, is not only send you this table, but send you a whole Excel workbook that has all of the data in the table.

Environment committee  I'm not agreeing with your position that they are not informed by the science.

Environment committee  I don't have any evidence to show that it isn't.

Environment committee  No, I haven't. I have seen the analysis that I summarize on page 1 of my submission to you. If all of those reports used different baselines from those they used, they would come out with different outcomes. If I did analysis, it would have a different outcome from that of any of the four that most people cite.

Environment committee  That's my corporation.

Environment committee  Yes, I put this together over the weekend—as you know, our invitation came late—though most of the slides are slides I had already submitted to the Bill C-30 committee earlier, in February this year, as a witness.

Environment committee  As you know, I've worked full-time on this file since 1996 and would not have done so unless I personally thought climate change was the most important issue mankind faces. Beyond saying that, the point I'm trying to raise is that I'm not sure any of that matters right now. The fact is that the proposed regulated industrial caps the Government of Canada has on the table right now are tougher than those anybody has proposed before in Canada, and we're still going through the process of having difficulty getting those regulations to be fact.