Human Resources committee  Earlier, I gave two very specific examples. The first concerned Australia, with jurisdictions very similar to Canada's. In fact, the states are responsible for education at all levels, under that country's constitution. However, the cooperation and coordination in Australia with regard to post-secondary education is quite different from what one sees here in Canada.

Human Resources committee  Clearly we want—and this is our message—all the stakeholders to cooperate.

Human Resources committee  It's much easier to say it than to do it, right? Nonetheless, it's true, not only for governments, but also for the stakeholders, university associations, college associations and others. Such cooperation is essential and we must adopt not only targets, but also measures. We need to know, as I said earlier, whether we are successful or not.

Human Resources committee  Thank you. The challenges are important, and they're not just challenges with regard to money, of course; they're also with regard to organization. Let me give an example of an issue that doesn't seem to come up very much, but that certainly reflects our ability to produce graduates in universities and colleges.

Human Resources committee  Thank you, Chair. The Canadian Council on Learning is still a young organization, but we have already released a number of major reports, and today I will focus on the findings of our first annual report on post-secondary education, released in December 2006, the first ever report to provide a pan-Canadian analysis of post-secondary education.