Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  Exactly, sir.

Public Accounts committee  We have an internal audit department that does regular internal audits. They did the first internal audit after the allegations were made.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chairman, we are talking about two different amounts: the first represents expenses that had been improperly charged to the pension plan.

Public Accounts committee  In her report, the Auditor General indicates an amount of $3.4 million. Following the internal audit, we reviewed all expenses of over $50,000. When we found expenses that should not have been charged to the pension plan, we asked that they be reimbursed. The expenses were charge

Public Accounts committee  That is correct. Now there is another amount. There are expenditures that were charged for work of little or no value. All of that amount has been reimbursed, except—

Public Accounts committee  It is $1.3 million.

Public Accounts committee  That amount was reimbursed, except for approximately $340,000 in fees paid to advisors and consultants hired by Consulting and Audit Canada. There is a 15% charge for that work.

Public Accounts committee  We are still discussing with Public Works and Government Services Canada to see whether others will reimburse them.

Public Accounts committee  No, those were expenses incurred by public servants while carrying out the outsourcing initiative. They paid Public Works and Government Services Canada for consultants, who received 15% of contract costs for their work.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  There remains $340,000, and we are in discussions with Public Works and Government Services Canada to see who will reimburse that amount.

Public Accounts committee  Sir, they were not my golfing buddies. We were all part of the Pension Advisory Committee. The chairman called a meeting at St. Andrews, and as part of that meeting there were golf games. They were not my golfing buddies; they never have been. In terms of nepotism...it's not my

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. I'm not trying to pass the buck. I'm just trying to be real. There was an internal audit. It brought out certain allegations. After that internal audit, it was mentioned there was a criminal investigation and from that they determined, totally independe