Environment committee  I think that it is crucial for the whole world to aim at stabilizing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that will meet the objective of the framework agreement, in order to prevent dangerous climatic changes.

Environment committee  Along that vein, so I understand our starting point, are you in agreement with the widely held view by most scientists that two degrees is the dangerous climate change trigger point?

Environment committee  If we get our measures right, it will be a good thing that we improved, even if the science on climate change proves wrong in the future.

Environment committee  We had better actually convene, for example, a first ministers meeting for the first time in two years and start having a dialogue about these differences. You're certainly not saying, as I understood you, that the Canadian climate change plan domestically and our negotiating position in Bali ought not to be informed by science.

Environment committee  Can both of you help us understand, in the case of Bill C-377, and in the case of your overheads, Ms. Donnelly, and of your report, Mr. Bramley, is the government's climate change plan, which is the foundation we're standing upon in Bali today—the “Turning the Corner” plan—in fact informed with science, and is it based on the consensual science that now exists around the world?

Environment committee  As you know, I've worked full-time on this file since 1996 and would not have done so unless I personally thought climate change was the most important issue mankind faces. Beyond saying that, the point I'm trying to raise is that I'm not sure any of that matters right now. The fact is that the proposed regulated industrial caps the Government of Canada has on the table right now are tougher than those anybody has proposed before in Canada, and we're still going through the process of having difficulty getting those regulations to be fact.

Environment committee  I guess the question comes down, Mr. Layton, to who auto workers should trust when it comes to talking about climate change targets and job security in existing industries, high value-added industries, like the auto industry. Would that be you or Mr. Hargrove?

Environment committee  It's The Case for Deep Reductions: Canada's Role in Preventing Dangerous Climate Change. You have that right in front of you. What part did the author of this, Matthew Bramley, with the Pembina Institute and the David Suzuki Foundation, play in helping draft Bill C-377?

Environment committee  The problem we have is that it's not us, it's the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, which has said that for the post-2012 period you have to include those things. If one is going to be supportive of the international UN process, that decision has been made, that train has left the station.

Environment committee  The period from 2012 to 2020 is precisely what will be at issue in Bali. They're also going to discuss targets and the climate change review. We know that the IPCC will be coming back again to provide clarification on the matter. It seems to me that this is entirely related to Bill C-377. This is the very essence of this bill introduced by the NDP.

Environment committee  The second meeting suggested is the scientist panel to discuss the scientific underpinnings of climate change and Bill C-377. Again, the witnesses are being recommended. There are a couple there: John Stone and Mr. Weaver. So each party will submit names, and you can--

Environment committee  On the third proposed meeting, with the economists, what we would like to see discussed would be the economics of climate change and Bill C-377 and the mechanisms, the options, that are available to meet the Bill C-377 obligations--market-based mechanisms, fiscal measurements and incentives, regulated emission limits, performance standards, cooperative measures--and the feasibility of meeting these obligations.

Environment committee  Today it is a pleasure for me to table a motion that reads as follows: It is proposed that the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development, through its Chair, write to the Environment Minister to express the committee's desire to see him, on the occasion of the 13th Conference of the Parties of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, make a commitment to ensure an absolute reduction in greenhouse gas emissions of 20% below 1990 levels by 2020, and accept Europe's invitation to cut emissions by 30% if the other developed countries also accept.

Environment committee  The motion is that this environment committee call on all major emitting countries to accept caps to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to fight climate change.

Environment committee  On the subject of adaptation and climate change...?