National Defence committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. At this stage, we are still working through options to replace RADARSAT, so I cannot give you a firm date in terms of when the replacement capability will be online, and also looking at other ways to mitigate in cases like that—

National Defence committee  I can't project when a satellite will fail. We know that it's approaching its—

National Defence committee  We know it's approaching its useful life and we have a date in mind, so we're planning around that date. Sometimes assets last longer than forecast, sometimes less, so we—

National Defence committee  My apologies.

National Defence committee  The planning is under way for potential replacement, but also mitigation measures to fill the gap should the new capability not be ready when RADARSAT comes to the end of its useful life.

National Defence committee  What I would say on this, Mr. Chair—and it's a really important question the member is asking, because it is an important capability—is that there are dedicated satellites one can launch with the capability, but the satellite industry itself is also launching satellites into orbit on a daily basis.

National Defence committee  I'm not sure I can give you a quick answer to that one, Mr. Chair. We are still finalizing the design, and that is almost done. I'm looking at my colleague, Mr. Crosby. If he does not know, we can get back to you in terms of spending to date.

National Defence committee  In terms of providing the eventual 15 surface combatants, we are looking at the first ship to be ready in the early 2030s. The most important next milestone one should focus on is the finalization of design. We are planning on low production starting in 2024. You don't jump into a program like that full board.

National Defence committee  Give me one second here, Mr. Chair, unless Troy, our CFO, has the answer. I have $90 million in my head, but just give me a moment to confirm that.

National Defence committee  I think the minister may have been referring to the amounts in these estimates. The actual project itself has a rough budget of around a billion dollars to modernize, so I think in this—

National Defence committee  Others may be able to give you an amount that's in these estimates. Troy says you have it right, so that's correct.

National Defence committee  Troy tells me I've got it right.

National Defence committee  Certainly, Mr. Chair. There are two points here. It's a blended approach. Yes, there's a contract with Calian, and yes, there are contracted resources for health care services available on bases. They can serve two purposes: One is a stopgap, where there is a shortage amongst employees; and two is a longer-term delivery model where there are no employees available in the foreseeable future.

National Defence committee  Mr. Chair, when we're looking at health care services, the first thing is that we need the services available. Where the staff can be found—and there's an ongoing challenge in health care services—our priority is to staff those positions. Where there are delays in staffing, absolutely, we have to rely on other means to provide the services.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you, Madam Minister. There are always discussions, yes. That said, most of the challenges that all governments around the world face involve more than one department. Therefore, cooperation between departments is really par for the course. However, one of the departments involved has to take primary responsibility and in this case it's the Department of Foreign Affairs.