Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you, Chair. Thank you to the witnesses for being here today. Over the last few months, it's been very challenging for this committee to get to the bottom of some of the accusations and even questions we asked previously around details like the secret funds. It took us a while to get to the point of figuring out that there were actually three funds.

Canadian Heritage committee  Do you know of any other, non-insurance funds that were put in place?

Canadian Heritage committee  You were the CEO of Hockey Canada from 1998 to 2014. Is that correct? Would you say that, ultimately—

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I want to make a quick observation. We've had witnesses come in to tell us that there have been almost 500 media corporations that have collapsed over the last decade because of the changing structure of the business in Canada. We've also been told, and I think the Conservatives probably agree, that there is no value to the media that's being distributed on the big tech giants.

Canadian Heritage committee  On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I just want to make it very clear that my question specifically to Mr. McKay was around his relationship—or Google's relationship, I should say—with publishers. That was the questioning. The member opposite just said that I said we needed Bill C-18 to open up this transparency.

Canadian Heritage committee  Of the 150 publishers you have these secret deals with—these deals that are not open to the public—is there a range? Can you tell us what the smallest amount and the largest amount would be?

Canadian Heritage committee  Those are incredible numbers. I'll go over to Mr. McKay. Mr. McKay, as the largest company in the room, and probably in the country, how do those numbers...? As a Canadian, reflect on Google and its position or outlook on the industry as a whole. When you hear those numbers, how do you react to that?

Canadian Heritage committee  Would you agree that Google has played a role in that transformation, both in a positive way—because obviously Google is an innovative company that has changed the world—but also in these numbers that Heritage has provided?

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm going to keep asking questions, if you don't mind. With those changes that have occurred in the last 15 years in Canada, we know that Google's response is to create these relationships with these media companies. You talked a lot about transparency. You talked a lot about fairness.

Canadian Heritage committee  What is the value of those 150 publishers? Is there a number out there?

Canadian Heritage committee  There is a number, though.

Canadian Heritage committee  Would you say that you've reached 50% of the amount you're willing to contribute? Are we going to see that number double to 300? Is there any type of long-term goal that you have? Do you want to double that number?

Canadian Heritage committee  I want to keep asking my questions. I don't want to go into the CRTC piece. Maybe someone else will ask you this. Would you agree that news is part of the public good?

Canadian Heritage committee  Okay. I think most people would agree that it's part of the public good. Would you agree that...? These types of relationships are commercial and sensitive, but do you think eventually Canadians would be privy to this type of information? How much are Google and Facebook actually contributing to these news companies, these publishers?

Canadian Heritage committee  At the end of the day—